EPISODE 46: Celebrating Sandra Bernhard

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This week Anne and Heather welcome, and fan out over, Sandra Bernhard! They discuss Sandra's illustrious career and how she maintains inspiration to continue. Plus, they give their insights on the LGBT movement of the 90's and how it might parallel to the movement today.

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Strawt media with betteredge listen and all
right, guys, we have a treat

today. Sandra Bernhard is on the
show. You're going to get to see

our little Annie Geek the F out
on this. I barely get a word

in edgewise while she was fan girling
away. Anyway, I get it because

she has is incredibly an impressive career
and you guys have a lot of parallels

to that. I didn't get a
chance to mention but no, you know,

I didn't laterally, like I didn't
let you talk, but I think

there is a there is something about
being a performance artist. In people consider

me an actress and in yet I
consider myself a performance artist and I think

she's embodied bold in every single woman
with any heart, Spirit, thought,

consciousness of creativity to go bold and
be themselves. She was one of the

first for runners in being what,
the first bisexual? But you play a

bisexual on the TV. I guess
that came out to me being the most

famous nun famous lesbian. But here's
the deal. But that was it was

bisexuality was a fish. You weren't
able to be bisexual and the people didn't.

Nobody like what this new fangled things
speak of this bisexuality. She was

abrom once you come, lady.
She was able to actually portray that on

Roseanne, on the rose an show, and that was fascinated. Yes,

it was hisstory. You guys had
a very similar history and breaking the mold

and she's just she kept getting hired. I didn't chick, but listen,

but here, don't say dealing all
the time. Listen. The beauty of

me being able to talk to somebody
who really does reflect to me a more

of an inspiration, a voice,
her continual on a radio show, pushing

she's coming on with a show in
December. She keeps going with these one

woman shows, with this voice,
with this power and strengthen and it was

such such perseverance. I'm I obviously
I'm do you see the drool? I

was really a little bit. I
want you got to listen to this interview

because the madness you're to win it
again. So I'm just going to stop

you right now and everybody listen to
this fantastic interview with one cool chick named

Sandra Bernhard. Yep, cheers.
Welcome everyone back to better together with the

another, because we have a guest
today that is such a treat. I

have to tell you, sander,
you this is the most exciting guest for

me that I've ever had. Hans, so it is. That's very exciting.

So you have to listen. It
is the incomparable, unstoppable, indestructible

Sandra Bernhard, and I just want
to say I was not as familiar with

your work as I would have liked
to have been, which I want to

talk about. So I bitched Bernhard
Hard, oh my goodness, and I

have got to tell you that you
are the artist I appreciate most in this

world. I have never felt more
compelled by a person's work than yours.

It just wow my mind. And
what I want to talk about is is

why I am not as familiar with
you. I mean, for goodness sakes,

I mean if you were around with
Jimmy after all, and maybe I

would have left with another woman.
You know what I'm saying, like you're

amazing. So I want to talk
about the time that I was really compelled

to think about why I hadn't been
burn heard before, and I realize I

held this pocket of misunderstanding with the
with the gay and lesbian community, because

I felt ostracized by them. And
and I think I kind of shut down

my openness to that and I so
I gotta apologize to you because I came

late to Bernard, that sounded dirty. You've also don't watch television, true,

but but I I I was so
curious about what your what your thoughts

were on that time, because we
should have been friends. I couldn't agree

more. Let me just say something
that. First of all, the whole

gay movement has gone in a very, to me, a very linear,

you know, direction. And I
was always somebody from from the get go,

from back in the s when I
started performing and, you know,

being a part of the entertainment world, in the business, I was always

much more attracted to the fun,
the sophistication, the grooviness of talented people.

I mean I was never, I
was never caught up or swept up

in the gay movement per se.
You know, I came to La I

was eighteen, turning nineteen. I
worked as a manicurist in Beverly Hills,

no believe, I know, just
so crazy and fun. And then it

was it was at the time that
the movie shampoo, you know, hit

and somebody's I watched shampoo the other
the other Oh my God, it's so

good. It's on showtime and heavy
rotation and I made a little mark to

call Warren Beatty because we were real
friendly in the S and s and so

friendly. I just you know,
he's you know, he's caught up in

his world. He's got kids.
Now he's married to Whett bending. Anyway,

I love history like I loved the
idea of being a part of that

world. You know, yeah,
come to Hollywood and be a groovy and

funny and crazy and smart and ambisexual. Because, you know, I wasn't

really driven by anything political per se. I thought, by the very gent

of what I was doing and saying, as a performer, as a woman,

as somebody who had a lot to
say, sorry about my no wors

bific that it was more important to
infuse it into my work that it was

to make statements and to be like
cut and dry and, you know,

caught between all these like, you
know, roadblocks. So I my hope,

Permian, I couldn't agree with that
philosophy more. But I mean congratulations,

because I believe she hit every single
mark that she wanted to. I

mean really, you're you're performing from
you're seeing beautiful people and the I mean

I literally pulled up the picture of
you to do my makeup from one of

the photos. You have reached in
so many different directions in me. But

I mean that you listen to your
Mariah Carey said. It's just it's you

push to a place that I so
respect and and do it in a way

that is just we can be okay
with looking at that and I feel like

that's kind of been lost. We
talked about that. That honesty is not

existing right now. Do you do
you feel absolutely, absolutely, you know.

I mean when I started out,
I was discovered by Paul Mooney,

who was one of Richard Pryors main
writers, and the first time I got

the first time I got up at
the youth of a club in Beverly Hills

when I was nineteen, he was
there and my darling Jewish soul sister friend,

Lotus winstock, who was a comedian
and performer. They were both there

that night and they descended on me
like two angels in my Jewish Angel and

my black angel, and they took
me under their collective wings and helped me

evolve into the woman and the artist
and the free spirited person that I became.

And you know. So there weren't. There were, there was.

The horizon was wide open. You
know, I love people of Color,

I love being Jewish, I love
being a woman, I love you know,

I say I'm pro racist. I
love, I whatever, whatever the

culture is hurting. Let's let's let's
go say your progress. No, I

love my God, you would like
that. So I you were raised these

through ether. I just have.
But you don't know, it's like I

mean by that is, you know, you like some Bo because they're black,

somebody more because they're like something.
Yes, yes, I know it's

not. I haven't figured out my
bit yet. But when you talk about

the angels, didn't be. I
apologized for taking over these you this.

Know I have. If I could
have had at that brain at the time

of what I was searching for you, if I it took me a long

time to find a woman, I
trust. How that would you be a

part? I was in a very
limited amount of trust or space or anybody

that could talk to me about what
I do, because I I do everything

like what do you mean? That's
what was so confusing. To be about

the movement. Of course, that
that when I I it's odd that I'm

talking so much about this. But, Senta, I honestly don't feel like

you talk to anybody else. When
I set up to say that that love

should be gender free, the reaction
was so odd because it was just the

idea of offering more love. Like
why wouldn't we be okay with that?

It was so confusing to me.
We were getting you straight back then.

Well, really, there was no
one between and then after and then,

but you were the first bott openly
bisexual person on television. What was that

just would did that feel like a
label to you? What was that decision

like? In by the way,
you were amazing on that show. Well,

I mean on rose and that just
evolved and it was just it was

just a really funny revolutionary notion that
I'd been married to, you know,

to Tom Arnold on the show,
who we can share. I Goma and

actually I love pigs such as said, he was a gross scot man,

and so that that that ended,
and then I drove me into the arms

of, you know, of a
woman, and so that was just what

Roseanne and I came up with to, you know, evolve the character and

keep me on the show, because
where was I going to go? And

so there was that there wasn't any
real like heavy, you know, underpinning

or idea to that. It was
just something that hadn't been done and it

was sort of in line and keeping
with what I was doing as a performer

my life, performing, and it
was just fun and shoot and and Nancy

on Roseanne was a splash of crazy, fun color, you know. And

so and it became an important character
because, you know, you forget that

you're reaching out to especially at that
time, across the country, across the

air waves, there's a limited amount
of things to watch on TV, limited,

limited amount of role models and people
that the average, you know,

burgeoning, evolving gay person could look
to. So in that way I'm proud

and happy that I was that person. But we were never we never set

out to go and we're going to
revolutionize sexuality. We're going. It was

like it was all allen. Allen
took it it care that part. Yeah,

well, I'm not. I'm not
a sober I mean sober and that

and drinking was I'm not a sober
person. I'm like I like to have

fun and I like to be smart
and I like to hit everything on its

head when it's the right moment.
But I don't want to beat people over

the head with the obvious. Well
it Amen, but you've had so many

Broadway, you know, successes by
being a queen of want. All these

questions are selfish, by being the
Queen of the one woman show. Really

it and it establishing that. Do
you is was there a moment so you

talked about your two angels. That
gave me creedy. Do we all need

that right, like the ones that
define like you can do this. was

there a time in your life earlier
than that when you were like, I'm

gonna do what I want to do, I'm going to be provocative, I'm

I'm making the choice to trust myself
and do what I want to do.

Oh absolutely, I mean I'm the
minute I started performing, I even though

it was rudimentary and I you know, it's very young and I didn't have

like miles and miles and miles of
road I had traveled, I still instinctively

knew. By the way, I
love your blows. Thank you. I

want that bloss you can borrow and
these a body that I've had for fifteen

years. I'll hand it over.
Just trying to be something. It's so

it's strange something you like silk.
It's really nice. I know it's fabulous.

I had to put on the Yodurant
when you're wearing soaky, but I

throw on some do you got to
put on these young add we brings me

to you know, I actually put
on a shirt because I thought, you

know, you said who he said
we might see you where. You were

afraid to be on camera because you
didn't want to see me naked or what

was going on? I wasn't.
No, I just I can't connected on

chrome or firefox. I'm speaking a
rudimentary I have. I mean for me

to even like be able to zoom
and be part of like, Oh,

modern and we're dumb and dumber era, it's like it's a wonder. I

hate it. I don't really do
listen and keeping our conversation. I would

much rather have an answering service or
a live person, with which we used

to have to send Miss Bernhard more
in Batti just called. If you want

to know if you can call them
back at this number. I mean,

could I guess gap, some human
you know, content anyway, but nowhere.

Yes, preaching to the fire.
I loved doing what I wanted to

do and I found what I wanted
to do early on. I mean I

have had in my mind since I
was probably five years old where I was

going as a person, as a
human being, the things I wanted to

say. I believe certain people do
come into the world with an imprint of

who they are and then you just
sort of like you fill in the spaces

by the experiences, and I think
I'm one of those people. So which

keeps me tied in youthful excited about
performing constantly like, you know, flipping

the pages and on to the next
one in terms of my material and music

and songs and the way I was, the way I palm Mooney said to

me early and he goes burn hard. Every time you walk on stage,

you have to peel away another layer
of yourself like an onion, and that's

what I've done here after your I
have peeled way the layers of artifice,

of self doubt, of unsuredness,
of fair and you get closer and closer

to your essence in your core,
until you are absolutely as much as you

can be in front of the audience. And that's it's it's it's like an

experience, it's like it's an emotional, intellectual, psychological evolution and a spiritual

evolution above all, one of the
things they really enjoy about your comedy.

This isn't a love it, but
it kind of is. Actually, I

don't know how many performers you come
into newly, you know, because of

the stranded emotions that were around people
that I watched, and also because I

wanted my my talent, my truth, to not be something that could be

absorbed by others. And I swear
it by me, if I heard you,

I would have been like mimicking you. Do I literally jobs such a

sponge, but I can't do anything
until I've finished. To me what I

have to do. That has to
be a clear voice. But so coming

to coming to you at this time
of my life is really incredible. But

I also want to ask you about
a couple things. Can I read you

a quote from very fair? Yeah, sure, well, maybe, maybe,

maybe again. You have stronger glass. I han't. The two of

us together can't find them, and
then I know and I can't. Thought

I was gonna have to wear them, but even I'm wearing readers now.

Yeah, I'm I just it.
I turned sixty six this year and I

was gorgeous. Get Fuck it.
I can't fight it anymore. Gorgeous partner,

who's you, Sarah, just fifty
Sarah. She's been wearing them for

a couple of years, and she
was you need them, you need them,

and I was like I was fighting
it ever sound that I realized I'm

sitting in the bathroom. Can Try
to read them up and I can't.

I can't even with the New York
Times. I was like fuck it,

I'm being honest. Yeah, but
you like at the toilet, getting off

it to just get your paper away
enough from you to read it, and

then you're like dripping and I lose
a man. Actually sucks right, because

it feels like like what would I
do in a desert island, or like

on it, like what I do
with it's I sat if I don't have

my glasses, I take a picture
of something on my phone and then make

it really big and Bregar is really
on you. I don't even know what

in the shower. I don't know. I have to memorize which one's the

conditioner and which winter's shampoo bottle.
Feeling. Anyways, I'm going I'm going

to read the quote from from varide. We put a bit in because I

have to also talk about one of
my other favorite sketches were, I don't

know if that you call them that. I don't know what things would ever

on people. Deed, this shit
deep the the talk, but conversation you

have with us about Sarah when she's
going to work and how amazing she's sounds

you like you have the most absolutely
perfect relationship. You're desperation at home,

true right, to make your life
worth living when she's not around. It

by means such an incredible juxtaposition between
like hi, everything's imperfect. I love

seeing inside the brain of that.
It's so vulnerably so hilarious. Yeah,

it's the truth. That's the truth. I do now more than ever,

especially in that post pandemic where we
were to gather's non stop for, you

know, over a year and a
half and never board, always having fun.

Now she's back to work and she
goes into the office. So like

literally, look, you know,
things are not as busy right now for

me as they have been. They'll
get busier again, but you know,

part of me is that I don't
even give a shit. I but I

love to work and I like to
I want to make money right, right.

So, you know, during the
day. I'm like I find myself

to I'm a very like hands on
person with the laundry, with the cleaning

up the house, getting organized.
So I feel a lot of time,

but I do. I'm like when
is she coming out a fuck it?

Several cocks, you're still up the
office. I mean it's like it's reverse

sort of like you know, it's
so funny. I'm that's the kind of

couple. He's just everybody get but
totally gets that. And then sometimes when

you're on the flip side of it, you're like stop, why are you

definitely get off me, even though
you just did it last meek to them.

What will you? Why? I
don't okay, yeah, I read

it because they just thought it was
a beautiful way to from variety. What

makes Bernhardt's comedy so rare, whether
she's philosophy rising about Taylor swift squad or

singing Dolly Parton's hard candy Christmas,
imagined by Caitlyn Jenner, is that within

every keenly observed pop culture rant,
there's an element of piercing truth. Is

that I'm borntine. That's good comedy. How many is and you? That's

what makes people laugh. When you
can relate to it right. I want

to know where that of found Asian
is born. You talked about your spiritual

quest I call myself in and out
of famous, but like the spiritual quest

like, okay, I'm on it
or I'm not. You were raised very

conservative. I think you said that
everybody has a Jewish abbit. Yeah,

I'm not saying I was a conservator. I was raised as a conservative Jew,

which is always confusing the people because
there was reformed conservative, conservative movement

and Orthodox. Rightly, my family
was liberal, but the Judaism is considered

conservative, which just means that's your
caught somewhere between. I've got certain stop

stopped tell using that tremis. People
think I would say I'm I was raising

the conservative family, which I'm not. But how I got to the truth

of things is that since I was
little I was always observing people. I

was watching people. I'm I'm never
forgot my mom said of me. She

goes this is back in Flint Michigan. I was probably like three or four

years old, and we ran into
a couple of women on the street and

Flint Michigan who are gay women.
I guess they were kind of Dykey and

I and then when we walked it, I said, they're right, they're

like man or something, and my
mom was like going taken aback, but

I was like so little bit watching
them and like observing them, and so

when they were different, it was
unique. It was a movie. And

you labor, you're not you.
I mean maybe now a five year old

would be indigest made observingly, just
we all. You know, taking in

body language is to just the MOS
yea femeral kind of like Whoa. That's

something else. I mean that's my
I think it's favorite thing to do is

just walk around, whether it's at
the grocery store or on the streets of

New York or driving in La and
you pull up next to somebody at a

red light and of course you got
to be careful these days if you stare

at somebody to get paramoid either my
polarly gun. But my favorite thing to

do is like just stare at people
and just taking their whole persona like I

was. I was up at Carolina
Herrera the store today. Took to get

something. You go to get free
stuff. Yeah, because I did the

interview with with West Gordon, who's
the designer now with defense. Yeah,

I'm sending my dressing room and I
heard some woman and I don't make it

so tight and I'll show the line
in my underwear, and I came out

and it was like some woman who
was like, I don't know how old

she was because I can't tell him, was seventy, eighthred and eighty,

but she was trying on this red
dress party and the dressmaker, who is

like the person who like you know, the seam stress, was fixing the

dress as like we're in stone a
pandemic. This woman is like being demanding

about her like you a cocktail dress. I was like I wanted to stare

at her forever, like the right
and I had to leave, but I

was like I just wanted to absorb
every little, like bit of her being.

Oh my God, and are usually
miserable. Those kind of people,

you know that just their misery is
just hors Le Spiren on other people.

But before it is, it's a
it's a pool of where we can draw

from. We look at the bile. Where does it come from? That's

the way we entertain ourselves. I
think it's really important now more than ever,

to realize, irving, that's so
many people are disappointed. So many

people are frustrated. So many people
have not been able to get close to

what they're imagining or their dream was, of who am where they would be

in their life. That's why great
there's many shows like American Ross, which

I've been watching on showtime with Jeff
Daniels, which really dives into you know,

like outside of Pittsburgh and the rust
belt and people just strung out,

UN fentonel and Oxycontin. It's like
it's where the country has imploded into,

because the industry and the dream and
the access to, you know, to

money and and and some sort of
life is service to it is dissipated.

That's a political thing. We can't
go I know. But, but,

but, but, if she has
and with the idea of how I like

to observe people and even if I
made the critiquing them, I think I

have more compassion for people now than
I ever have a well, but I

mean, I think there's no better
thing. We always Ay me want to

take away something. It really we
just have to be a plus to compassion.

That's all there is to it.
You, we have no idea what

anybody else is going through. We've
all been through it, but in the

observance of others. Maybe people blueprint
people differently than than you and I might.

But but one of the things that
covid did was isolate that interaction,

not only for us in just seeing
or what we do for but everybody being

able to see each other. And
so we're living this deficit of not having

had the feed of joy or the
feet of just to bit just seem different

to unique things around us that are
human. I think covid also bred that,

I don't give a shit, a
lot I think in people. I

think it really I think it really
brought that out of a lot of people.

I know it even makes really discussed
staying because it I been the I

mean, obviously what we want to
encourages that. It's not that and give

you. I want to create a
whole barter system, like what are people

doing? We live well on the
planet that has every possible thing we could

want, but we don't know how
to feed our children. Just the stupidity

of soul. It just confuses the
heck out of me. Well, I

can't get deeper has to be.
But why? You know, you know

what I mean. As a conversation
we probably talked about for nineteen years.

But I think that one of the
things that one of the reasons we did

the show, and we've said it
before, is that we wanted to create

a space where people could be really
honest and like not, we don't always

paint ourselves in the best light.
You know, we tell we're honest about

her insecure these are and I think
that that really makes other people feel better

a about themselves. And I think
that comedy, the comedy that you do,

does the exact same thing. That
it really by saying that one thing

that people really connect with in a
funny way, it makes it so much

more palpable for somebody that's going through
something differently. You know, take yourself

down is is much as you take
down Britney Spears or whatever. That's what's

so funny, because you don't keep
your self out of the but you'd also

don't pull back from having to make
jokes about the wreckage. Yeah, Lumanity,

but if you put it into a
hall of consciousness, it's not judging,

it's it's being able to be a
conduit, to be able to say

this is a story we're looking at. Here's a perspective with which I see

it and I'm going to make you
giggle. Well, also, let's not

ignore what is happening in front of
us. That you know, what did

you go? She's like saying your
fruit lipsng or something. You just be

but just so silly like her.
But but because you, because it's not

through judgment and you don't take yourself
out of the equation of being in that

pool. We breathe through it and
it's just something. Your art is really

inspiring to me. I have a
question about out. You can't tell recent

role pose? Hell, yeah,
right, and and tell us a little

bit about that role. I know
you play. You play a nurse on

that show and there's there's there was
an element of the show that I actually

didn't I felt really dumb because I
didn't know what it meant, and that's

ball culture. Well, I might
be completely honest, I am not seen

it yet because I didn't want to
see you around anybody else when I was

binging you. Can you tell us
a little bit about the show and then

just briefly explain? Now I know
what it is, but I'm sure you

can explain it better. What was
you know it was. It was something

that was happening in the ads here
in New York City and it was very

underground and it was involved a lot
of, you know, mostly people of

Color, and it was their way
of expressing their their fantasies about being successful

and and and and having everything that
they wanted to have in their lives,

where it was a lot of money
and great style and fashion and love and

and success. It was all done
through the ballroom scene where they would come

in and have these competitions where you'd
be like, you'd be like, you

know, the straight man, and
that you'd be the straight men dressed like

in fabulous business suit. So you'd
be like the sexy, fabulous, you

know, international continental woman. And
you know, most of the women were

trans and everybody was gay and everybody
was aspirational and when they were finding their

home with the an acceptance, because
so many of them had been brutalized for

their sexuality. I mean that I'm
my dad died of AIDS in one thousand

nine hundred and eighty three, like
as you know. But the but that's

going on in the culture right now
with the he, she and they,

and I want to ask you about
that and I also want to respect your

time. But with this scenario.
Is there a parallel that you see with

a disc the way that our kids
are disconnecting from their, say, last

name story, the one that they
were born into, and finding a culture

of Pronoun basically to feel at home? It's so, but that's but basic,

is it? Is there similarity?
I have such a heart. Obvious

I could do. That's a harder
parallel for me to draw. Okay,

I can't say that I didn't think
about it before. Now that AMS like

I can't understand that as much as
I can understand what was in back the

S and S. I mean it
was people just expressing their creativity and their

desires. Now it is like it's
like a deeply rooted political yes, it's.

It's not something I completely understand or
can wrap my mind around. So

I'm respectful and support of people who
are in transition, obviously, I mean

that's what hose was all about.
I'm also, you know, respectful of

the of the generation that is,
you know, bringing this to the forefront.

I can't pretend to understand it.
It's not my right. It's a

different step than the one you took
or the one I say. It's not.

It's just not. It doesn't speak
to me, but it's the evolution

and it's the forward movement of Culture
and society. So we embrace that and

yes that, and leave it to
the generation that understands it and that and

who are living it, then you, hopefully, are being embraced for it.

You know, I what step along
the way they are, which would

be a nice movement forward from the
one that was going on in the S.

right. You know, in anything, absolutely, there's, there's.

All I know that you're friends with
Caitlyn Jenner, or at least you did

a song together or something. Did
you somebody roted? Know, somebody was

there. was, like it was
that was just ano quote I read,

but I did. I did a
sort of funny like spoof of Caitlyn Jenner

alone on Christmas Eve and then and
then saying hard candy Christmas. Oh,

I see, I seek do you
mean? I mean I support everybody's transitions,

but as a man and now is
a woman, there is no about

evolution in terms of politics or understanding. So I don't I don't get what

what Caitlyn Jenner's about because, well, I would yet because it's something we

don't know. I'm right. So
we don't know. It's not about this,

it's not about the polishing the politics. Yeah, this person can still

be a Republican. I don't even
hanter intuitive to everything that this person went

through to get to where they are. I support people who would like to

destroy you and not allow you to
use your own bathroom. I mean,

I don't get it. I don't
get it, but the sometimes weller se

can habits. But I having I
don't want him. I do want to

say, though, and I don't
know anything about the situation and I very

really watched television, but I watched
the documentary and I wanted to say this

to your audience anyway, because I
have to say it was extraordinarily confused and

the documentary talk showed me a way
to begin I could embrace and understand,

which about you know, it just
wasn't a curiosity, like I didn't dig

into that story. I don't find
you know, I know nothing about pop

culture. You know, I I
was away late to the game that they

were as a guy that was an
Olympic champion that turned I'm like, who

what whatever, but anyway, I
did think that would bring it helped me.

It helped me at least wrap my
head of round. I said,

I have no ID. It's not
about about her transition. It's just I

don't understand if you transition, how
you can transition politically, culturally, emotionally

and spiritually. Yes, and to
a more evolved human being. Totally.

Well, of course they didn't have
that part in the documentary. You know

that bird wasn't was in seed.
Know that part was not. I know,

of course. Are you looking forward
to something in your your future?

You just your do you create?
You know, one they get a time

or but like I, when I'm
creative, like I have to do five

different things because I can't stick on
one, and then I'll go play a

song on the piano. Over I
go write a pole or like I'm already

I gotta put on taps, use
and tappling me a yeah, you can

see me climb the walls like they
got il contain myself and garretted. But

that's it. That's just the way
that I work. Are you processing through

something that you can the share how
your mind is working right now or what

you're interested in talking about? Well, I mean I put together a new

show that was basically, you know, all these observations and and, you

know, thoughts and pieces during the
pandemic. So that's that is what I'm

doing on tour as I start to
get more that's the madness and mayhem to

her now. Well, that's what
it's partly the maddest mayhem tour. But

then when I do it at Jos
probably will be called burn it, burn

it down beer. And Yeah,
I always have to come up with the

new title. and Joe probably by
mean but buddy, but I mean they

buskuld do is jump. Tough duf
boy to do title when you have so

many shows, like what's this?
That's not easy. It's not. They

only have two names, me first
one in my last one. Know what

I mean? You got to run
out of my is. So it's you

know, I'm always writing. I'm
always writing observations, ideas, thoughts and

and you know, I do write
songs with with my my musical collaborator,

Mitch Kaplan, but we end up
doing mainly covers in the show because I

think it's so much fun to take
a song that I love and turn it

on its ear and do something that's
unexpected with it, and that's sort of

what people love to hear from me
and so when I do Jose pub I

don't know when this is airing,
but December, twenty six through to know

we're coming overcome O, we're coming. I'm coming. I'm here in this

soccer today after Christmas and love here. I Hate Christmas. I really move

aways. I've cherished, Bob actually
being just such a fan today and asking

questions that I wanted to ask you. But one of the things we like

to do on on this show is
ask what, if you have anything that

you would have liked to have said
to yourself ten years ago to help along

the journey to where you are now. I don't you know. People ask

that. That's the question that gets
asked a lot and I when I look

back and well that that resakes it
from my questions with you. pull out

your shears and think about some of
the editing you couldn't you could have done

on your life, but that's impossible
to do in retrospect because without those little

bumps and glitches and miss mistakes and
missteps, you wouldn't be who you are.

And I don't know, there's really
nothing I look back on my life

and think, wow, you really
fucked that up, you know. So

I can't see it's listed. But
with that then I agree with you,

by the way, more in terms
of like me and I wish I could

close the gap between the pain and
play. I ever, if I had

anything to say about it, what
what I have done now? I can

say wish I had. It would
have been fun if I could have sought

you know, say if I had
known that I could seek help, that

would you've been really helpful to me. You know, it's just it's I

think for me the luxury of what
I do has always been to be exactly

where and who I am at the
time. I've never, I've never first

stood back and said, God,
I wish I had said that. God

Damn it, because I've always said
it and that to me, man is

a luxury and a privilege and something
that I nurture and and and try to

share with my daughter, with with
people that really matter to me. Is

having that, that ability to,
you know, really hone in and be

who you are and know you're going
to get through it and just on the

other side of it comes like a
whole other level of celebration and happiness and

and all the things that you wish
that you that you had accomplished because that

you're accomplishing them as you're going through
the trial. I find that's just how

wife is. Without it life is
boring. There's nothing, there's no challenge,

there's nowhere to go. I'd love
him. And now you have your

daughter, but you know, cooking
for you in the kitchen. We just

want to thank you so much.
Thank you ever being on our show.

And if there's somebody taking big you
don't mind me, I'll be in this

shirt. Punctures the shirt. Yeah, come to the show. I saw

the next the next thing that we
can see you in is December. Twenty

six. Yeah, okay, Joe's
pop six nights my show with my band,

the sandy land squad. Fan.
It's always unbelievable. It's always like

it's just full of love and fun
and honesty and sophistication and Gret and it's

really one of the most fun ways
to end and begin the year. So,

Joe, that's great. People can
follow you on innocates can follow you

on instagram and you have a great
website that has some fun photos and stander

brahardcom everything you are. You are
spectacular. Until next time, everybody live

in loving kindness and don't, Dick
Bo. Thank you and thank you,

harvy walking, and a big,
big thanks to our better together team,

Ryan Tillotson, Sylvana, Alcohola,
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