EPISODE 52: Radical Confidence w/ Lisa Bilyeu

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This week, Anne and Heather get radically confident with Lisa Bilyeu, the cofounder of the billion-dollar company Quest Nutrition and cofounder and President of Impact Theory. She is the host of Women of Impact, a show featuring women who have overcome incredible hardship to achieve massive success. Her mission is to empower all women to become the heroes of their own lives.

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Straw media. Everybody, welcome back
to better together. Well, I mean

we you know what I think you
are just describing a word, radtastic.

We got a God tastic guests on
today list. At leasta billy always with

us a she brings her radical confidence
to better together and teaches us how to

have it, even when you don't. Yeah, you know what I thought

she's should. Well, what she
does is share about but you know,

doing things that you don't know what
you're doing, you don't know how to

do them, you don't know what
he is going to push you forth,

but you don't pay attention to the
things. They are in your way from

doing something, then go for you. You do it anyway and and that

becomes your teacher and that build your
confidence. And you know what is sometimes

it's not easy. She talks about
how difficult it has been to go from

being a housewife to being a woman
who has a billion dollar company, by

the way, and dollar and who
can say that? You've got to listen

to the show because she is a
most she's in she's an inspiration to us.

I think I might overuse that.
Well, but I mean it's really

interesting to learn how to just fake
that confidence. Yeah, if you don't

have it, and, by the
way, that's one thing that if I

could tell my younger self, you
always think that everybody knows more and it's

smarter, and they're not. Yeah, like Ninety Nine Perc out of the

gig is do it anyway. Yeah, so, if you just go into

things with that confidence and and fuck
it, you know, and this is

what this episode talks about. So
okay, man, listen and yeah,

and get those tips. You got. It were better with okay, everybody,

hello, hello, welcome back,
and thank you for being with us.

I'll better together within another today I
am so excited to tell you that

Lisa Bill you is on our show. She is one of the most spectacular

women. I would like to say
that she is radical and when I was

thinking about what radical meant, I
think what you do for women is take

the mundane of them and offer an
opportunity, through what you do and say,

for them to become spectacular and by
with your show, with your podcast

and with your energy, you really
encourage the best in female and I just,

I just so appreciate that. At
exactly. I'm just going to give

the formal introduction for those of you
who don't know Lisa. Today we have

lisa bail you on the podcast.
She's the cofounder of Quest Nutrition and in

two thousand and sixteen. She found
it impact theory with her husband Tom.

It's immediate company that has a mission
that is similar to our podcast, I

think, spreading knowledge and helping people
develop their passions and make their mark on

the world. She's also the host
of the podcast women of impact, and

this show features women who have overcome
incredible hardships to achieve massive success. Also

not far from our mission. Absolutely
I'm so lucky to welcome she's so welcome

to about here today. Oh my
God, I'm so happy I feel like

I need to do the host sing
in like better together with the better,

at least the most important thing.
That reason we have you here today is

to talk about your latest project,
which is your new book that I just

finished reading and it is fantastic.
It's titled Radical Confidence and I think that

we're going to pull from that book
in our question of the day today,

right and literally poll Lisa's words and
ask the question, how can you still

have confidence even when you have insecurities, are vulnerable or just feel like total

shit? So that we're getting.
That's the nation that we promised by the

end one day and making us gotacular
answer that question. So welcome to the

shell pass. Yeah, thank you, guys, so much for having me

do it. So you want me
to ask the question? Well, I'm

I mean sure, but yes,
we can get right. No, no,

no, I wasn't shot. I
wasn't sure. I will follow your

ladies lead. You guys are so
amazing, by the way, I freaking

love we going to get to the
answer by the end. Well, I

would like to. I wll first
of all, I was so lucky to

be on your show and I am
so inspired by you and what you do.

You you've come through so much and
I think we want to hear what

your story has been because it is
such a story of success. But let's

start with your book, because it's
so important right now, and what made

you write it and what does the
tied on mean to you? Thank you

so guys. I I get asked
a lot where'd you get your confidence?

least we want confidence like you.
You know, you get in front of

the camera, you will show up, and so I really want to know.

And guys, I was like,
who are they talking to? There's

no way they're talking to me,
because if you heard the voice in my

head that constantly tells me I'm no
good, the voice in my head that

is like, what on Earth Are
you doing? The voice in my head

that is completely insecure and feels embarrassed
and one does you know if I show

up today, am I going to
freeze all of that insecurity is still very

real to me. And so when
I think about what people see and why

they think it's confidence, is what
they see is someone that moves forward,

someone that still steps in front of
the camera. Now that's what I call

radical confidence. It means I'm still
fearful. It means I actually and sometimes

completely inadequate to take on this new
task, but I do it anyway.

So let's take the book, for
example. At this point I come,

I get approach to write a book. I've reready solder company for a billion

dollars. I've created impact theory where
we've got over five hundred million views on

our content, and the very first
words out of my mouth when I got

offered this a year and a half
ago was who on to why with WHO

on Earth would buy a book from
me? So it's so important to know

that I don't look at the insecurities. I don't think about that as dictating

who I am. What I do
look at is do I show up,

yes or no? That's binary.
And so when I have insecurities, when

I have the fear, I say, how do I do this even with

this like looming inside me? And
so that where that's where I wrote the

book. It's ten steps on becoming
the hero of your own life. So

when you're afraid, as you guys
know, it's one thing to go okay,

I know I should do this,
it's another thing to actually do it.

Yeah, and so telling someone just
do it when you're afraid, it's

fine, it doesn't help the people
who are like me. We're like you,

have that crippling anxiety that makes you
feel badly about yourself. So I

said, okay, instead of listening
to the voice in my head there's telling

me I'm no good, let's call
that the EGO. Let me focus on

the goal, and that's where I
started. When people say to me,

now that I won your confidence,
what I say to them is you want

confidence to do what? Because it's
the end goal we need to be focusing

on. While right I'm the goal. I was gonna say, like you

guys right, like I don't want
to project, but anytime most people when

they're starting a podcast, it's that
I've never done a podcast before. I

have no idea what I'm doing.
So the idea isn't to be perfect that

first day. That idea is okay, I want to start a podcast.

I don't feel confident. So what's
that first step in doing a podcast?

Maybe I just have to press record
and never release the episode. Maybe that's

your first step and that's how you
eventually get to actually releasing a podcast.

I think we did that and that's
amazing. Way It's like to feel be

willing to make the mistake. If
you're if you're not willing to make the

mistaken, learn draws. It would
say the mistake is the Messenger. Like

look look at those things as learning
wow abilities. But also, can we

go back a little bit. You
have a billion dollar company and that in

and of itself is kind of a
phenomenal thing to have on your resume.

Can you how did you do that? What is your company and how does

it feel to be that wealthy?
Okay, wow, I didn't see that

last question coming. All Right,
I love the kindable and I love the

curve for me. Okay, so
I married my husband. We both wanted

to make movie so we moved to
Los Angeles. He's America. The dream

was to make films. We both
get jobs on movie sets. I literally

it was like a dream come true. I can't believe I'm on a movie

set. This is the most exciting
thing. And in between the take,

one of the actors, I won't
say who it is, but one of

the actors threw a matchbox at me
because they were annoyed. where? What

was your job in the movie?
I had at work. Can you explain

what the move? What was your
position? Where you producing a movie?

No, so, I know,
I wish I was. Literally so I'd

come on as a PA and I
was taking care of one of the celebrities.

That was my job. Now I
did such a good job the celebrity

ended up want like he was going
to quit. And but because I was

very like they like to me,
I kind of they tongue in cheeks a

say that said that I saved the
movie, but I was just very reliable,

let's just put it like that.
So it's very like you gotta tell

us the movie no good movie.
We won't tell the actor just I'll tell

you the person I was looking after. How about that? Perfect? So

I won't tell you the person the
through the matchbox at me, but the

person I was looking after was Ossie
Davis. God dressed his soul. He's

now passed away. So ossie Davis, as he was getting older, he

was finding that he was forgetting his
lines. And I'm this literally, I'm

this young Brit who doesn't have an
experience on set and it's just like falling

in love with Ossie Davis as a
human. He's like such a sweet man.

so as he kept forgetting his lines, a director and producer kept coming

up to me asking me to be
the one to subtly tell him and help

him practice his lines, because they're
like if you say at least it won't

seem threatening. And you've been so
sweet and offering so many things of whatever

he needs, so maybe you're the
right person to help him learning as lines.

And so in I built this massive
bond with him. We got along

so well. He's such a wonderful
human and so by the time, like

he was only on set for like
a week or two. So my job

was very short. So I only
plan to be on set for a couple

of weeks. But once he went
off, the movie had a massive continuity

error, massive continuity error, and
so they immediately call me because I'm so

detailed to like obsessed with detail,
and they noticed that in the two weeks

that I was there. They're like, Lisa, we know you probably don't

know anything about continuity, but do
you mind coming and helping? So it's

like, Oh, no, of
course not, that this is a dream

come true. Of course I'll come
back. So I go back to set.

I know jump into continuity. I've
no idea what I'm doing. But

this is what radical confidence is.
Oh my God, I love this.

Literally, it's like I have no
idea what I'm doing, so I don't

have the confidence. It's not like
I'm like I could you know, Oh,

I know what I'm doing. No, no, but I didn't let

the fact that I didn't know stop
me. So what I did is and

I did just went in as the
student and I said, okay, what

is the principle of continuity? Make
sure that each shot has the same pattern.

Great, I don't know what I'm
doing, but I can make sure

this shot has the same pattern of
clothes coming out of the draw then the

shot beforehand. So I just break
things down to the fundamentals. When I

break things down to the fundamentals,
I know eliminate that fear part of me

that holds so many of us back, because I can say I may not

know about continuity, but I just
know this one shot that they have to

do the same pattern over and over
and so when you can break down massive

tasks like that to like these small
little things, it becomes way less petrifying.

Okay, so there. She's been
radically confident and so concurrents. If

anyone had ever sat me down and
told me you'll spend eight years of your

life as a housewife, it won't
be that bad, you'll just lose your

confidence, lose yourself and squash all
your hopes and dreams, I would have

run screaming from the room. Yeah, but you leavable your brother, love

your honestly to where you are now
is really an inspiration for people to for

people to hear. But but so
talk a little bit about that time that

you were that you were home,
you were helping to support your husband Tom

as he was building this business.
That very early on you were pulled into

as well to help build. So, yeah, well, that was actually

before so this was all prior to
quest. So our goal was to make

movies. We'd had the dream.
We came to America we were going to

make movies. My dream was to
be the first female to Win Academy Award

for directing. Catherine Bigelow beat me
to it, but but that was a

dream in a way. So I
when I met my husband, we had

these massive dreams. So when we
came here and we had these bad experiences

on film sets, I literally turned
to my husband I was like, my

heart is crushed. I want to
be in Hollywood so badly, but I'm

the only thing I'm not willing to
give up is my own dignity. I'm

not willing to let an actor throw
a matchbox at me. And if that

means that I now can no longer
fulfill my dream, that that is,

then so be it, but I
won't allow someone to disrespect me like that.

And so my husband at the time, the time, my husband,

was like, Oh, well,
they why do? We just make our

own money and then we can just
finance our own films. Sounds easy.

That's easy. How did you do
it. That's radical, conky, exactly,

the naive to the beginner right.
So the goal was, in that

time, okay, no, be
yes. What would it take to go

all into make enough movies, to
make to make enough money to make movies?

So that's actually something I talked about
in the book, playing the game.

No, bullshit. What would actually
take to achieve this? So my

husband had this offer to go with
these two entrepreneurs to build a company and

when they make enough money in the
company does well, they'll sell it and

we're all going to being convinced that
we're going to make movies with this money.

And what was the business? It
was a tech company. It will

literally was like, we're just building
the company to make enough money to make

movies. So my husband goes along
with these two entrepreneurs and so we played

this game and at the time we
said, okay, who's the most successful

business person we know and how do
they live their life? Because if you

look at someone, it's easy to
say, Oh my God, I want

to be like Oh proper. Then
when you actually look at what Oprah has

to deal with another day to day, the reality of it is very different.

So we said, okay, what
is the reality of how one of

the most successful people and on business
lives their lives. So we looked at

Steve Jobs at the time. Now, if my husband just read an interview

where he talks about that, he
you only have a certain amount of decisions

that you can make in a day
with utter clarity. So he doesn't waste

it on things that are that don't
matter, like what clothes he's going to

wear, which is why you always
see sauce steve jobs in jeans and a

black top. He never took even
a second to to spend time or energy

in deciding that. So I so
me and my husband thought that was genius.

Were, oh my God, this
is perfect bay. I'll make all

the decisions on everything else in our
lives and you go out and work and

you just that's all you focus on. I'll decide on where we live,

what we eat, what your clothes
you're going to wear, and I can

do this for a year. Oh
yeah, that's easy. Now what ends

up happening is what you sacrifice.
You say, Hey, I'm just going

to do this for this long,
it's not going to be that bad.

But what happens is you make these
small, little choices over and over and

over. Now you we all laughter
right at the beginning. Yeah, I

heart going to make enough money in
a year to make movies. So,

of course what ended up happening was
for a year I was putting my husband's

clothes out for him. He would
wake up, the clothes were next to

him. He would go to the
gym, he would come back, his

clothes were waiting for him. He
would get out of the shower, head

to work. I'm handing him his
lunchbox, he gets back his dinners on

the table. I very much thought, I felt really good about being this

other half to this big goal.
But because I was brought up as Greek

Orthodox, very traditional, I was
told my whole life I would end up

being married with children. We all
know how the power of belief affects how

you show up every day. So, as I'm starting to live this life

of being a supportive wife, my
background, my heritage, my belief just

confirmed that that's where I would be
anyway. You did what was it fun

for you at all? Did,
but did you enjoy that process with him

or what I mean? Not at
all. No, for this first year,

though. So in fact, and
this is a great question, because

how many times do we justify what
we're doing and we find reasons for it

to be exciting, we find reasons
to have the joy now. Sometimes that

is wonderful because when you're have like
its gratitude, right when you're in a

moment of your life that things are
really going badly, that you're not happy,

having gratitude is beautiful. It reminds
you of all the amazing things in

your life that if you're becoming fixated
on the negative, if your cut,

becoming fixated and feeling like a victim, gratitude can put you out in the

most beautiful way. But in that
same note, a year two years later,

three years later, using gratitude kept
me there because every time I was

unhappy, every time I realized I
was losing my hopes, my dreams,

my desires, every time my mind
went to go there, that massive part

of me was saying, who do
you think you are, Lisa, just

so ungrateful, you are what your
board, living a mundane life, when

you know, when you have a
husband that loves you, you know how

many people don't have a partner the
love them. Oh, Lisa, sorry,

your board and you have a roof
over your head. You know how

ungrateful you are when other people don't
have it. So the gratitude piece that

was keeping me to get energized and
stay in line with my goals and my

dreams and my desires started to force, not even force me, but it

gave me a new perspective where I
started to dismiss how unhappy I was.

US, and now how many people
do we know? Well, we dismiss

our unhappiness because we think we shouldn't
ask for more. We can't ask for

Huh? And why was the communication like

with your husband during that way?
I mean what it was? It seems

like it was a system that you
were in that were you communicating about it

or no, and that's the thing. It wasn't. And when I look

back and I think about why I
wasn't communicating, if that was me,

that wasn't a himn thing. It
was I didn't think that I had the

right because I didn't feel like I
was grateful. He was going out and

working twelve, fourteen hours a day
and you didn't recognize that. You were

too right. No, exactly,
up a hundred percent, and I think

so much of a big part of
anything we do is how we feel about

the acts that we do. So
right now, if the people that are

listening whereas like, Oh my God, I love what I do, I

love being a stayathome partner, I
think that's beautiful and the whole point of

my message in the book is recognizing
what life you want and not being held

back by other people's expectations and your
own expectation of what life's going to look

like. So if you're listening right
now and you're a business woman and you're

freaking entrepreneur and you've spent the last
ten years work in your way up the

ladder and you hate it and all
you want to do is start a family,

then that's what the book is about. It's not about becoming an entrepreneur,

it's not about doing this one path
that I went on. It's about

what life do you want? What
traps a keeping you where you are,

and me just to be your biggest
Cher leader and say hey, look,

you do deserve it. It's not
going to be easy, but that's why

I say the ten don't bs lessons. I'm not here to make you feel

good about yourself. I'm here to
actually tell you the real freaking hard truth

of what it takes to get out
of a life that doesn't serve you and

start actually creating a life that makes
you on fire. It ain't easy,

but if you want it, this
book really can help you get there.

Well, I'd like to read one
more part of Wow, nice, I

don't see but what I mean?
Don't you have to kind of change your

understanding of intent and purpose? I
mean, to me it feels like you,

I mean you started something because you
wanted to make money, to make

movies, but you were serving a
purpose that wasn't fulfilling your souls. Did

that, but did that ring a
bell? was He's becoming successful. I'm

just I'm curious about the pathway,
because you, obviously, I do,

change your your focus and your destination
for yourself. I assume I can swear

right. Yeah, yeah, okay, my aunt's and is fuck yes,

like hell. Yes, you have
to change, you have to change what

your North Star is so that you
can keep showing up every day. And

that was what I did, you
know, I got so fixated on my

North Star being I have to make
money to make movies, and so part

of the book breaks it down.
Is like you have to have a mission.

You have to have clarity on that
mission, you have to have a

goal. You have to be super
freaking to sink on what that goal is

is. I left it up in
the air. I was like, I

want to make movies. What the
Hell does that mean? Like, do

I want to direct or I want
to produce? So I want to write.

And it be short form? Can
it be long form? Does it

have to be filmed? Going to
be digital that? CAN IT BE ANIMATION?

Can like this? So many variables
that until I like, I didn't

grill down, and so that's actually
where I start the book. Is in

order to have a purpose, in
orders to have a mission, in order

to overcome all the obstacles you guys
are going to face when you go after

the life you want, because,
trust me, you will face obstacles.

They're going to be most the you
fall to your knees. That is inevitable

when you try anything new. Now
the question is, how the hell do

you get back up when you fall
to your knees? And that is exactly

and it is that you need to
reframe your purpose. You have to understand

what your purpose is. You have
to tie yourself to a mission and if

that isn't actually true to who you
are, then you're not going to be

able to go past it. And
that was where I went from not having

a mission set, having a fleeting
idea of what I wanted in life,

realizing that didn't serve me, then
being thrust into a growth company where I

basically told my husband I'm so fed
up of chasing money. That's where it

came to a head. Eight years
later, I was profoundly unhappy. He

was profoundly unhappy. I call it
it was like my own personal fight club,

because like the fuse. First all
of the blue household was I wasn't

allowed to ask him how his day
was. Then the second rule of the

blue household was I wasn't allowed to
ask him how his day was because he

was so unhappy. And so in
that moment it was like I don't care

about money, I don't get all
the things that you think you want in

life. I was like, I
don't give a shit, I just want

my husband back. In the book, you talked about how, when you

pulled yourself out of this, you, I think you called it the purgatory

of the mundane. Yes, the
way you pulled yourself out of it was

the same way. You said,
you've got yourself into it, which was

little by little, which I think
is is a really good message, because

sometimes that happens, that you don't
wake up one day and and make a

huge change, and you also don't
get yourself into that position in one day.

It happens little by little, by
exactly. And the analogy I use

as like, you know, the
poor floaty, where it's like you kind

of like get in a floaty and
then you're like kind of thinking, I

cud it's kind of comfortable, you
know, and so it's kind of easy

to get in, it's kind of
comfortable, but getting out is freaking hard.

Like imagine you got a drink in
your hand. Now try and get

out of a float to you by
your like awkward and and so it's kind

of like I think of that as
being life sometimes, that you make a

little choice, the choices easy,
maybe it leads to something nice, something

comfortable. Right the first, like
you know, few months of being a

stay at home wife was want the
first of Oh my God, I get

to do whatever I want. I
get to like hang out with my mates

and I get to go to the
gym and you know, it can feel

wonderful, but once you're in it, the getting out of it, like

it just becomes so much like,
Oh, this isn't as easy as you

think, and now it becomes clunky
and uncomfortable. And so how do you

get out of it? And thank
you had that. It really becomes people

want this magic thing. Why?
Tell me the one thing I need to

do today. You just have to
make one little different choice today, but

now you have to do that ten
thousand times. Right. Did your husband

lose the dream of the movies as
he was his company becoming successful. So

the you kind of both both last
the dream together. So in the Tech

Company, because he was so miserable, and I said I just want my

husband back, like when I am
so I'm very clear of the orders of

priorities in my life. My husband
comes first, period. I've never been

conflicted with that. So when,
after this eight years, we had like

a couple of million dollars in shares
and equity in the Tech Company, and

so my husband's let you realize that
we don't get this money if we quit

right like you have to cross the
finish line in order to really see it

through, and so we're not the
type of people as like yes, we

built it, give us the thing
and we're bouncing. It's like no,

no, we really believe you have
to cross the finish line. So we

had that discussion. He's like,
Babe, if we quit now, then

we don't cross the Finnish line.
So eight these eight years, we don't

get a penny. And now here's
the most powerful thing, aren't? And

just because you've spent eight years doesn't
mean. I don't know if you guys

play poker where people are just like, oh well, I'm all in.

You know, it's like it's so
heartbreaking at so many of us think like

that. I've spent eight years of
my life's miserable, so I want to

spend more of my life miserable,
like it just it got to the breaking

point, and I think that that's
what happened. We got to the breaking

point. We will both like actually, money doesn't matter, like we just

stick for eight years and we realize
it doesn't matter, how that we're more

unhappy now that we have more money. So we ended up saying now we're

going to quit and we're going to
do and create a life predicated on passion

and a mission and that spark my
husband going in and quitting. His business

partners realize they were unhappy too.
So they then said, Oh my God,

Tom we're unhappy too. So instead
of quitting, let's pivot, let's

sell this Tech Company and use it
predicated on something that is mission oriented,

and that mission oriented for each of
their individual I don't want to speak for

his business partners for but for me
and my husband it was predicated on something

health related, because my husband's mom
and sister are more bidly obese. I

grew up in a family where my
mom was borderline and orexic and then fifteen

years later she swung and became morbidly
obese. And so me and my my

my husband, we will, we
can get up every day and fight for

our parents. Right when it comes
to the mission, I think his mother,

Teresa or something, that said like
no one's going to get up and

fight for everybody, but everyone will
get up and fight for the one.

It was something like that. So
it's like, I want to create global

impact, but when you need that
moment of poll where you're really struggling,

where you hit that obstacle, who
actually fighting for you, have to tie

your heart to it, and so
for me and Tom it was very easy

to tie to our family, to
see that our mothers that they're going to

die early if they don't take care
of their health. Like that's real shit

right there. So I was like
cool, let's work on doing something predicated

on passion. But at this point, guys, I was still the supportive

wife. So my husband comes home
and he's a all right, babe,

we've both decided we're going to make
a protein bar and because right now you're

the only person to stay at home
wife. In fact, his other wives

were the other partner's wives. Were
you can actually help now, being the

traditional Greek wife was. Of course
I'm going to help, Babe, because

remember, at this point, after
eight years, I had changed how my

identity, and that's another thing.
I change my identity from being the person

that was creating a dream with my
husband to now being proud as the identity

of being the person behind my husband. So I come in, I'm like,

Oh, help, what do you
need me to help you with,

Babe, and he's like, Oh, it's just a small thing, just

ship some lips and bars off the
living room floor. You know, just

when we rent a kitchen will have
knives and bowling pins and we just make

some bars by hand. So it's
like, okay, I can help with

that now. What we didn't expect
is that quest would grow a fifty seven

thou percent, and so we went
from what a zero to a billion dollars

with him. Five years we were
announced as the second fastest growing company in

North America, like the second fast
is growing company. So it's like we

were growing just such rapid gret growth. The literally I went from shipping bars

in my living floor to being petrified
by our house was up for collateral,

so if we, if the company
went under, we would lose the house.

So every day I old Cup not
knowing what the Hell I was doing.

This is why quit. It radical
confidence. I didn't have the confidence

to keep going. I'm not confidence. I didn't know what I was doing,

but I had to logical confidence,
which was every single day I showed

up. Oh this is the problem, let me figure it out. Oh,

today this is a problem. Let
me figure it out. Today.

UPS tells me. You know what, I can actually pick up way more

packages if you put it on the
Palette and I'm like, okay, thank

you, thanks my I got it. I freaking van too my laptop and

I typed into Google. What the
Hell is on a pallet? I want

to say something about that. That
occurred to me when I was reading the

book, because there's a there's a
balance between radical confidence and and and you

struggling with with confidence right. So
I think that anybody else in that position

might have been not willing to do
all the work that you did and to

tackle all the things that you did. And I don't know that the company

would have been what it became if
it wasn't for you having a lack of

confidence combined with radical confidence right,
if that makes any sense. Do you

know what I mean? Like because
because you weren't, you weren't too big

for your bridges and said, I'm
not gonna this is, this is beneath

me to figure out all this.
I'm going to do this, this needs

to be done, I'm going to
do it, which takes a certain person

to understand that. There are some
people, and I think you talked later

in the book that you had to
give yourself a talking to that when people

came for a meeting, that you
didn't offer them a cup of tea,

that somebody else was going to do
that, that you couldn't be the caretaker

anymore for every and you had to
like really make yourself be the boss woman

that you are. But but early
on you need it to be that person

that needed to get every single thing
done because nobody else was going to take

care of it. Yes, but
I didn't feel and that's the thing that

confidence to mean to me is that
you feel good about it. Right,

I didn't feel good about it.
I didn't know what I was doing.

And so in those moments where where
you're saying people won't necessarily do it,

I just think that's what the book
does, is it hopefully positions things of

like, okay, well, this
is your life. If you don't want

to do it, don't do it. But now, having assessed in this

moment, I can either face my
ego and learn or I can actually say

I don't want to do it.
But what is the consequence of saying I

don't want to do it? Okay, it means I don't get these bars

out, which could potentially mean the
company goes under. Okay, with no

shame or judgment. Now the great
uses. You've got those two parallels.

You know what you're looking at.
You're like, I can either lose my

house, which is very possible.
I'm choosing too if I don't learn this

all, I freaking learn it,
like it just it becomes to me that

binary, because I can't do it
under an emotion, because I'm so scared

and petrified. And that's why I
come up with these strategies of like when

you're fear for when you're insecure,
when you have no idea what you're doing,

and sometimes rightly so, just skill
sets on equipped for what you're about

to handle. In those moments,
what do you do? And if you

want to know how you go from
being someone that stuck for eight years to

where I am today, it's this. It's not about feeling good about yourself,

and that's the thing, is that
it's in these moments of a challenge.

How do you ask yourself the question
so that you can have clarity of

what's more important? Because the truth
is, in that moment I have every

right to say, you know what, this is too uncomfortable, I would

rather lose my house. That's my
decision, mean, obviously not my it's

me and my husband's decision, but
I don't want people to think that that

isn't a valid choice. It is. Can I destroy me about but like

am I I'm gonna. I've combing
out here. But how did it this

tech company go to be able to
make like health bars, and were you

involved in making the recipes or based? Because it has a company? They

saw the Tech Company, I understand. But then we go into health bars.

That because of the issues in your
family, which was wonderful. Were

you involved in that, but in
the kind of creative for a? Would

you know, guys just do it, or how did you get started with

them? What do you yeah,
I mean it was, it was.

It was born of a passion,
from what I hear from you, like

it was born of a passion to
help be your family members. And then

you would you were kind of put
into a part of the company that wasn't

about the the creative of it,
right. The distribution, I know,

but why? I I'm just first
of all, I don't understand. I

know how that but everybody just saw
all of a sudden makes health bars through.

We're just funny. But but that
was a passion of yours and then

you were in a part of it. I'm just confused. No, it's

a very important question. So here's
the thing. When you're starting a company

and people just like you know,
how do you know? It's like what

is the thing that you need?
Like what is that thing that you need

to actually doesn't exist? Because if
you need something and it does exist,

and now you just competing with something
that already exists. But for us and

Tom's business partners, we were all
really into the house space, and so

all the business partners, their wives
and me, we were all making our

husbands like these handmade protein balls to
take to work with them. So here

they are all sitting there eating these
handmade protein balls made by their wives,

and so it's like, Oh,
this is a need now. One of

them, one of their wives,
was very much into the fitness industry,

into the body building industry. So
that's why I said everyone did it for

their own passion and desire. They
love to she love making recipes. One

of the other guys was really obsessed
with like the nuance of biochemistry and how

nutrition affects you. So everyone had
their expertise and I was just the wife

helping out. My husband was the
one who was the marketing genius. So

they all had like their their their
passion and so for me, I was

like what am I willing to risk
my house on this thing that I believe

in, because it's for my mom
and health. I believe in putting that

risk out there. But I didn't
know what I was doing. I literally

came in like I'm going to help
my husband. And so they were renting

kitchens on the weekends and so I
literally was measuring ingredients where they were just

like Oh hey, can you measure
three tubs of peanut barter at, you

know, ten grams atop? All
right, cool. So here I am

at home weighing the peanut butter and, you know, we would go there,

we would make them with knives and
then, because I was just stay

at home wife, I was the
one that had the time to ship them

out. Now the reason why kind
of I think maybe this is the part

of the question and is it was
a product that didn't exist. It was

a product that we needed and so
many everyone was like it can't be made.

We had experts in the field.
We had one person very, very

influential in the space turned to us
and say there's one five hundred protein bars

on the market right now. They
need another protein bar, like they need

a hole in the head right now. Why did we believe in it?

Because we were bringing something new to
the table. We weren't just replicating another

bar. At the time, the
only bars that existed there were two types.

There was one that was full of
sugar and they like sprinkle protein powder

on top and they can technically,
on the label, call it a protein

bar right, and then she's got
a ton of sugar. It's not great

for you. Then you let the
protein bar be. That actually is really

good for you nutrition wise, but
it tastes like garbage. It's like you

need a glass of water next to
you so that you can like take a

bite and then drink, take a
bite and then drink. So we had

an about the product. You were
but you were passionate about the exactly.

Yes, exactly, and and like
the company was passionate. Everyone involved had

their own mission, and so those
elements to start a new company will what

gave us that prepared propelled forward so
quickly. And then my husband, being

marketing genius, saw the potential of
facebook and the idea that we need to

make the fans evangelist. They're the
ones like, oh, it's not about

quest nutrition, and up until that
point a lot of companies were making about

themselves that look, how good are
products, and we weren't like that.

We were like, look at this
person that lost weight, how amazing are

they? And that's where we started
to build community and that's how we grew

so quickly. Did that kind of
build you into wor it, but your

inspirational chop that speak and how you
talk now that you were seeing people,

just people's lives shaped. And that
was a very long journey. I was

very much behind the scenes. I
didn't feel good about myself. I was

teased as a kid for my nose. I was bullied for my long Greek

name, so I had to head
braid. So I was picked on in

school. So I did definitely didn't
have high health self esteem. I mean

to the point I remember when I
was fourteen years old, I sneaked into

my mom's room and like ripped up
a photo of myself because it was from

the side. I was that,
you know, paranoid. And so my

whole journey comes from like the whole
book where I talk about I didn't feel

good about myself. I still am
very insecure about a lot of things and

but that's okay. I no longer
judge myself, for I no longer think

that how I feel and who I
am today will dictate who it doesn't dictate

who I can become. And so
whenever I face something, whether it's behind

the scenes or in front of the
camera, I do just have this mindset

that I've worked on for the last
ten years and that has blottom me through

being this person that never felt good
about themselves, that you know, was

always behind the scenes, to now
be able to step in front of the

camera. And that really is that
mindset shift of Oh, I don't know

how to do even now I don't
know how to do howks the stuff I

do. I don't to write a
book. I started right, you know,

I wrote a book, but I've
never written a book before, so

I had no idea what I was
doing. But I know that that doesn't

equate to that I'll never be able
to learn to write a book. So

that's the shift in the in the
book you talked about a CEO who went

from being like a single mother with
twelve dollars at Lisa Nichols and and and

there was a quote in there that
you said she said that blew you away

and it really impacted me to it's
with something to the effect of don't,

don't make me so incredible to let
yourself off the hook. Yes, which

is like wow, if you think
about that, don't, don't put me

up there to let yourself up to
her. Huh? Because, Lisa Nichols,

I was still behind the scenes.
I was executive to produce in our

content at quest so I'd gone from
the Shipping Department. We grew so quickly.

I started to learn my skill sets, I started to attach my mission

to actually saving people, helping people. So I had a very strong why

it went from losing the House to
actually saving lives. That's a freaking powerful

mission right there. So every day
I'm doing that. We then grow more.

I build our studio, my husband
as his show and I'm sitting as

the executive producer in the audience watching
Lisa Nichols and my husband have this discussion

and I'm sitting there in the audience
saying to myself, Oh my God,

she's like there's not a dryer in
the house. She's so incredible, she's

so motivating. Everyone's crying, everyone's
emotional and I'm sitting there going, Oh

my God, she's so amazing.
I could never do that. She's so

amazing. I can never do that. And let's used to be. Where

did the show come in? We
went from question, then your husband got

a our show. I just want
for those who don't don't the care connected

ads. Thank you. Thank you, Anna. So we went from okay,

we understand the power of the body, quest nutrition. The protein bar

was really helping people on the body. But my mum was still morbidly obese

and every time I would talk to
her, mom you know, do you

want help? Like, do you
want can I can hire a chef for

you, because I want my mom
to be around for ever? And the

answer she kept coming to Anne was
I can't, I'm too old, I

can't, I'm too old. So
we recognize Oh, to truly help people

make a shift in their life,
it starts with the mind. People that

were in quest balls were only doing
it because they'd already made the shift that

they believe they were good enough to
pick up something that was healthy. What

about all the millions of people in
the world that don't believe in themselves?

How the Hell do you help them? Because right now we're sitting here saying

we want to help people. Quest
is now billion dollar company with saying we

really want to help people, but
we there's this thing on the mind that

we cannot ignore, and so really
we have to face our selves, and

I we had to face and say, are we okay with pretending, or

do we actually say no, no, true wellness means three hundred and sixty.

You have to address the mind.
So we made the decision. Yes,

you have to dress the mine my
heart is in content right. I

had a film degree. So we
literally were like, Huh, this is

thing called instagram. They kind of
make videos and like Youtube, like what

if we made like a quick cooking
show on Youtube too? So that's where

I went from. Oh my God, now's my charms. So I went

from shipping to I started building a
studio inside of quest and so inside quest

I have this tenzero square fo.
My first job is to build a set

with a kitchen. I'm like,
I don't freaking know how to build a

set. I went to film school. They don't teach you that. They

teach you how to like operate a
camera and how to write scripts. So

I had my radical confidence toll bell, which was I don't I know.

Now they're not knowing it doesn't mean
I can't learn. So I put on

my confidence toll belt, I went
in, went to first principles. What

do I need for a kitchen set? I need a freaking kitchen. WHO

sells a kitchen? Ikea? Great, I'm going to Ikea. So I

broke down that and so my husband
then said, Babe, I think it's

important. We need to do a
show based on the mind, and that's

where he said. I want to
bring in people, incredible successful people,

and talk about the mind. So
at quest we are bill a studio,

a set with my husband, and
we were bringing guests. So that's where

the show came in. God on
it. More here you talk, the

more it's really just about removing excuses, right, it's it's yeah, it's

it's about removing excuses, because you
can come up with an excuse for why

not to do so many things.
and well, this may sound offensive and

night and I don't need you,
but I but I am really curious the

rise in power often, but when
you talk about money, it would when

we talk about a billion dollar company. I know I personally am like,

wait, what, how did that? That's first of all incredible, and

you're talking about building confidence and that
that has to be a part of the

foundation, isn't it? I mean, I don't know many people who can

say they have a billion dollar company, but I but was that like thing?

You have to be pretty confident if
you have. I mean once you

got to your first million, I
mean what and then you too ten.

I have to ask this is because
it's so confident now. I mean,

I don't know. I love me
to build me a kitchen if I've got

a billion dollars. And I've got
to say that because it I want to

know what that did to change your
life. You'd started quest and you had

your house on the line. But
I mean what was the Bush shifting in

you? And that had relevance to
the finance show part of that, and

was your relationship. But did it? Did it come back together once the

money was because you set up a
lot of are of things talking about money,

and I want to address that.
I want, I wanted absolutely life.

I'm so not offended by anything and
and I love you for asking me

that, and that's why I just
want million. You know, one million,

three hundred and seventy. Two reasons
why I love you, but because

it's important I totally agree. And
here's a thing. I think wealth creation

can be beautiful, but I also
think of wealth like a superpower. You

can use it for good or you
confuse it for evil. It's all up

to the individual. Like literally,
when people just like money changes, you

know, no, you probably would
that person and now you just think it's

okay to be that person because you
have money. That's my perspective on finance.

But I don't want to bullshit you. It's fucking amazing. But here's

the here's the truth. As we
were building quest. So first of all,

it's not like I have a billion
dollars in my bank account. I

want to be very clear. People
think of that, but when you have

business partners, investors, and then
tax, Oh God, forty, fifty

percent tax in I I won't even
talk about that. But like when you

think. So I just want to
make it clear now. But I'm very

comfortable. I'm not saying I want
to speak to people who work very,

very, very hard to be thirtyzero
a hundred percent. So you know what

I mean. So I want to
address what that did to your psyche.

Yeah, so for ten years,
as we're building quest, because of all

of this because I was so driven
now to never go back to be a

stay at home wife for eight years. I was so driven I didn't stop

for even a second. I thought, and I kind of make a joke

in this and the a book,
that for every hour I was on my

grind, I could cash it in
for a validation point. Right. How

many of us are Oh, I'm
working so hard, right, because you

think that you get your validation,
you're worth for that. So what I

was doing is I was working so
hard. I was working fifteen, sixteen,

eighteen hours a day, every single
day. I didn't give myself a

break. Now quest gets announced as
a billion dollar company. At the time

it's on paper a Billion Dollar Company, but me and my husband are still

driving our Ford Focus that had a
hole in the exhaust that when you go

are over sixty miles an hour,
the steering will will rattles. So,

like with any company, unless you
actually sell it, all you have is

what you either take out of it
or your salary. So what we were

doing we realized, just like any
business, sadly we saw with covid that

things can change like that. So
what we all decided collectively with a business

partners as we would smell of a
sell a very small piece of the company

that way. God Forbid, write
someone chokes on the bar or you give

them food poisoning. I mean,
there's so many different things that could happen.

You don't ever nothing. You know
the company, you still have money

in your pocket. So we all
decided that we're going to change that.

We're going to do that. So
now that's still a very significant amount.

We sold like nine percent, right, you can do the math. It's

a very significant amount. So me
and my husband is like a dream come

true. We've been dreaming about this
on all the hard days where you literally

are putting every penny into it.
You don't have a pain. I wasn't

going to starbucks because I was so
I didn't spent three because there was three

dollars we didn't have, and it
got to the point where I was missing

out on hanging out with my friends
so much I was taken home filtered coffee

to starbucks so I could hang out
with my mate. So just to give

people an idea of how penny pinching
I was back then. So then you

cut two. You've now got the
opportunity to smell US sell up small piece

of the company and we hear rumors
that it was going to happen on this

day, right. So, because
it takes months and months and months.

So me and my husband like,
Oh my God, this is the dream

come true, like we've been driving
around Beverly Hills and all those really bad

nights and our ghetto car that like
is literally rattling. All those hard nights,

we were driving around Beverly Hills,
saying one day we're going to get

that house, like holding on to
the tree, and here we are with

pressing like on our phone and our
bank account refresh. We're fresh refresh,

because it literally was like one minute, it's just the well, it's going

to hit your account, and it
does. It hits your freaking account and

it feels as good as you think
it will. I just got chills.

But here's the thing, guys.
For five minutes it was like then my

husband gets up and I'm like Oh, Babe, are you go? And

he goes, I'm going back to
work. We're still trying to impact people,

and I was like you're right,
so we literally went. I got

we got back in the car,
we go to work. I only tell

drive my mom R no, sex. Yeah, there was no starbucks,

there was no sex, because it
was like we has so tied at that

stage in our lives to the mission
because the success wasn't guaranteed. Sick,

the success is never guarantee. So
over the years when we were struggling,

I really believed in why I was
doing it. And so we go to

work. The money's the amazing,
I don't want to lie, but we

go to work. I didn't tell
anyone. I told my family, we

will celebrate it over the phone,
whatever, and we still go to work

and we spend the whole day at
work. Like no no one would have

guessed, like literally could ask anyone, no one would have realized what day

that happened because we were so tight
to the mission. Now, of course,

again, I'm not going to bullshit
anyone, afterwards, after the day

was over, my husband took me
to cartier. So of course I enjoyed

it. Now the important thing is
we then got the house of our dreams.

So this whole time will be driving
around saying one day, one day,

one day, when the dream comes
true, the dream actually comes true.

Now I'm such an emotional person that
I want to tie a dream to

an emotion, because it's like how
you going to feel when something happens.

So I used to joke with my
husband at bay one day, when we

get this, when we have enough
money to buy a house in Beverly Hills

as I want a waterfall. I
want to do one of those hip hop

s music videos. I'm going to
twork to you, I'm going to pull

dump Perry on down my body and
I'm going to do it under a waterfall.

That was a dream. It wasn't
even just like I want a house

with however many bedrooms. I was
like, I want to twork in front

of a waterfall, because that was
the Hip hop vision nineties Gal. I'd

had it, you know, in
my head. That's its gravernors. Can

reason back in your instagram and find
that. Yes, here's the thing.

So we actually get the house,
we actually get the waterfall. I'm actually

standing there with in the water for
bottle of dumperion in my hand. My

husband's got the camera and I take
a SWIG. Now, remember how I

said I worked sixteen, eighteen hours
a day, nonstop, no breaks,

for ten years. That does something
to your health and I was ignoring it

and every step, year after year, I was ignoring all the gut issues

I had. I was ignoring that
I slowly couldn't eat or digest food.

I started to ignore that I was
having brain for I ignored it all,

guys, because I thought I had
to keep working to get the validation.

And of all cliches, guys,
of old cliches, on this day,

this very day that I'm standing there
with a bottle of champagne, my body

just gave up. It literally,
just like I say in the book,

it like as if it like ripped
the pulled the emergency rip chord and it

felt like the only way can explain
is like my gut like exploded. And

from that, but literally to the
point where I was like baby, I

gotta go. Sorry, May.
I got to run to the restroom because

I was like I literally had no
idea what was happening. I couldn't breathe,

my stomach was excruciating and I try
to hide it from my husband because

I didn't want to ruin the party. I didn't want not the party but

like our celebration. That was six
years ago. I am still trying to

recover. So the worst thing that
was it. What is it? So

for a whole year I had no
idea. I couldn't eat. I could

eat like four or five ingredients.
I could eat beef, lamb, chicken,

salt and coconut oil and as all
I can eat. So I who

you like? I was twenty pounds
lighter than I was now. My hair

was falling out from malnutrition. I
couldn't even eat our own product. So

now here I am. I couldn't
eat our own products, and we own

one of the largest freaking nutrition companies
in the like fastest growing nutrition companies in

the world. I was embarrassed.
I was ashamed. I hid it all.

I didn't tell anyone. I couldn't
wear a Bra. I couldn't stand

up for longer than five minutes at
a time. Now imagine what that does

to your self esteem, your relationship. I love feeling sexy for my husband.

I didn't you know I couldn't even
stand up, let alone allow him

to touch me. For over a
year I struggled with intent crippling health issues.

It was like your body knew the
moment you could relax. It was

like the most yeah, the biggest
freaking Cliche, where it's like money doesn't

buy happiness or, as I all
right, I get it. And so,

in hindsight, in looking back of
what it was, it was for

twenty years having a very negative relationship
with food. I was told when I

was fifteen, for my first boyfriend
or you're getting a little fat. He

pinched my thigh. I went into
like panic because I wasn't you know,

I didn't feel good about myself.
I wanted my boyfriend to like me.

So I end up having a very
unhealthy relationship with food. I didn't know

much. I didn't realize it's seventy
percent of your immune system is carried in

your guart. So I was getting
sick because I wasn't eating much fat or

cobs. The more I was getting
sick, the more doctors were giving me

antibiotics. The more antibiotics I was
taking, the more it was affecting my

my gut lining. And so what
I didn't realize was for about fifteen years

I was having this like basically antibiotic
abuse. That then created open pores with

which they call leaky car so I
then ended up having leaky gut and then

had Cebo, I had a parasite, I had candy that, I mean,

it was like to the point where
lichly and doctors couldn't didn't know what

was wrong. This is all in
hindsight. So going back to why I

brought this whole story up, to
your point about money, and it ended

up being my health issues ended up
actually in hindsight now and I'm still struggling.

I still can't eat gluten, I
still have a have to have my

food cooked or I have to call
a restaurant and make sure I know what

oils they have because there's certain things
I can't digest. This is six years

later, guys. Wow. So
for that whole year where I was so

anemic, I couldn't stand up,
I couldn't do anything in that moment,

do you think money made a difference? I tried to go to all I

literally tried to. I try to
throw money at the problem right in that

moment. I'm like, Oh,
a good doctor can fix me, let

me just throw money at it.
But what end up happening is no one

could fix me and I up going
to the best doctors and what I realized

was the most beautiful lesson was I
did it to myself. I took the

antibiotics. I had the bad relationship
with food and what I was doing is

I was looking outside of myself for
someone to save me, for someone to

fix me, and the most beautiful
and empowering lesson I learned was I am

my own hero. I have to
fix myself. That stopped me looking at

how much money can I spend to
fix me? Is stopped me from looking

at it started making me look at
the lifestyle I led and how bad that

was and how toxic it was on
who I on my health, and it

made me realize, oh, share, money actually doesn't mean anything. I

have all the money in the world
and I'm the most unhappy I've ever been,

the unhealthiest I've ever been. So
why did I want money again if

I can't even feel good about myself? And that that is where I'm so

glad it happened. Because you want
to know how I think about money now?

I think of it as been in
the most amazing utility to having the

life you actually want, and the
life I want is to create global impact

on that fourteen year old girl,
and so I think money is being the

beautiful facilitator and allowing me to do
that. But I don't give a shit

about all the other things it brings, because I've already seen it on that

day. It was like the most
Pichet thing ever I saw. It didn't

make a difference to how happy my
life was. And then, you know,

I could keep going on about kate
spade. How many people have like

billionaires or millionaires and successful people have
to commit suicide before we actually just pause

and say, what is it about? It right, and I'm not the

one to bullshit. Money is amazing. It again, it can be the

amazing facility. You are on my
show out. You've come to my house.

I have a set in my house. It's absolutely selling. Well.

Well, I live my life day. We would just want buy me.

If we had sum it up,
I say like, I'm thinking what purposes

of is a real, you know, wonderful thing to keep as a priority

exactly, and I wouldn't mind being
a billionaire. I don't have to say

that. Can I say that?
Let us know where, where we can

learn more about your book. Yeah, thank you, guys so much.

I was so excited to come on
and and I just miss you. I

haven't seen you in a while.
And then head the lovely to meet you.

Thank you. Let us get to
set you together, please. It's

so beautiful to see you. Yeah, but yeah, thank you so much.

So the guys, if you really
want to, if you want to

have a life that really makes your
heart sing, and you're not there right

now or you're not on that part
or you're finding struggles on getting there and

taking those steps, like, this
is the book. It's no BS,

you know. It's called radical confidence. It says the real share of how

I went for where I am to
how I am, to say, how

I think every day and all the
messiness that comes with it. It's not

an easy part. But the truth
is, honestly, guys, I don't

think of myself as being extraordinary in
any way, shape or form. My

I got beat at Season D's on
my you know, in my exams,

and so this isn't a you have
to be born a certain way or with

a certain mindset. This is a
this is how you can think about things

on a daily and it's the little
choices in order to get you to be

confident in the long run. And
can we get that on your website?

And but where, where are we
going to be able to purchase your book?

Yeah, so you guys can go
pretty much anyway. So Amazon tall

get radical confidencecom they said. Believe, really pretty much all all the places

you can get it. terrect ter, thank you so much. You so

much for being on our show and
making us better together. Habits really aggressing

your day. Thank you every day
for listening. Thank you, guys,

thank you so much. Good luck
with your boss. Were better together with

I feel like we had so much
more to to talk to her about and

I sometimes get caughting people's choice because
I'm so fascinated with how they got there,

what it is, and I'm I
know that the book is a necessity

to read to get to know more
about her, but I felt like I

could. I felt like there were
a few more chapters I wanted to uncover.

Well, I think that it's just
such an interesting story of hard work.

Yes, that's too you know,
the one thing that she didn't say

was how she met her husband.
She met her husband. Guess what apartment

they were living at. Where does
everybody move when they come to La and

wants to be in Hollywood? The
Ore? The Oak Wood? No good,

I was trying to think of it. They met at the old medic

so funny it was. It's like
a hook up place and it's also I

also think it's fascinating that she started
at the York what they wanted to be

in the film industry. Then that
you go after money. I think the

conversation about what money does in our
lives and how and also how it shifts

and what it does to us when
we're not being healthy about what that what

that need is, but that you
can change where you go. We aren't.

We aren't a person who has to
say, well, this is what

I want to do for the rest
of my life. That she talks about

how many different changes you can have. Now she's doing a podcast which is

absolutely phenomenal and I was on it
and women of impact and you need to

listen to that. But just just
how we can change and evolve. We

don't have to get stuck in something
and I love that. Well, I

love that reminder we keep going.
A big takeaway is that she made conscious

decisions, her and her husband.
They really made decisions about what they wanted

and where their life was going and
really took control of it. If you

think back on her story and what
she talked about, they decided it was

on their terms and it worked out
for them. That was a really fun

really funny if we hope you enjoyed
it than you lease a billy over making

us better together, and a big, big thanks to our better together team,

Ryan Tillotson, Silvana, Alcohola,
Daniel Ferrara and, of course,

and in heathern. If you haven't
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