EPISODE 60: Restarting with Jason Tartick

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This week, Heather is joined by former Bachelor contestant and respected business leader Jason Tartick to unpack his new book The Restart Roadmap. Jason is a Wall Street Journal Best Selling Author, the host of Apple’s Top Charting Business Podcast “Trading Secrets”, entrepreneur of 5 operating companies, investor, and speaker. After 10 years of working in Corporate Banking he took a detour into reality television to be a contestant on Season 14 of ABC’s, The Bachelorette. Since then he has made several appearances on The ABC Network: Good Morning America, The Bachelor Season 23, Celebrity Family Feud, Listen to Your Heart, Live with Kelly & Ryan, The Bachelorette: Greatest Seasons Ever, Dancing with The Stars, and The Bachelorette Season 17.

His business endeavors - coupled with his reality tv time has lead to a 1,200,000+ social media following. In addition he has landed co-hosting opportunities on Live from E!, Yahoo Finance, & E! Daily Pop. He has been featured on The Today Show, The Ellen Tube, Fox News, CNN, People TV, Entertainment Tonight, Live from New York, & Ryan Seacrest Show. He and his fiancé Kaitlyn Bristowe, both starred in Brett Kissel’s Music Video “Drink about Me” which received a Juno nomination. He’s even been part of a WWE Match and was Formally Announced as the CO-Champion of the 24/7 WWE Belt.

Jason worked for nearly ten years in banking, earned his MBA in Accounting & Finance, and executed over $150,000,000 in lending transactions.

Jason has now become an investor in Evoke Foods & The Fintron Invest App. He owns 50% of a social media talent agency. He is a 4x best selling list author, “The Restart Roadmap, Rewire & Reset Your Career”. He founded Red Ridge Capital, a business lending and investment company. He has founded Restart Consulting, an educational company centered around career & money management. He has launched the “All Access Business Networking Group” which has signed over 1000 members. He started a Business focused Instagram Chanel Restart_Reset with 100K+ following, a YouTube with 10K+ subscribers. Weekly he offers a Monday market newsletter to his 20K+ subscribers.

Jason is also a renown professional business speaker. He has been featured in USA Today and has spoken at The New York Yankees front office, Capital One Headquarters, NYU Stern School of Business, University of Kansas, Oakland University, Sacred Heart University, Quinnipiac University, DePaul University, Northeastern University, Loyola Marymount University, Nichols College, SUNY Geneseo, and Iowa State University.

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Transcript


STRUT media. Welcome to better to
get them, Dan and Heather, except

last week it was it was better
to get happening now. What's now?

It's happening now. They're listening to
you know, you recorded with Jason last

week when I went to Boston.
I know I did it all by myself

and you did all by yourself.
How did you feel? Like a big

girl? Did you put on your
big girl pants? I did, and

I was like, Oh, you
know, I'm going to just be able

to run this thing, and I
just don't. And then I like sat

in the seat and I'm like,
I think I'm nervous. Did you?

Did you get nervous? Think you
tried to get me to sit there.

And next I told her. I
said why didn't like listen? This is

gonna Happen sometimes, wouldn't you know? Ryan, and he's like no,

that would be weird, and I'm
like ship, I'm not fine. I

was like, you know, ready
to guess, ready to steal the show,

but apparently I'm not really ambitious like
that. So so you didn't get

his ass. Like what does that
mean? Just like's adorable, I mean,

and he was. I hated to
Miss Jason Jason. I mean not

like a wife or girlfriend or or
or mistress or anything like that. I'm

just saying I missed seeing you.
See you too. I didn't like breaking

the News, Dam that you weren't
going to be there, because everybody,

you know, wants to try.
He wept, he quietly wept, but

but he's the sweetest, just smartest, just he's like, I hate it.

This is he's too good. I
know it's like, you know,

I kind of want like if Henry
grew up, to beat him, I

would be so happy, like I
really know what. Trying to force that

on homer. I'm like home or
listen. You want to be finance guy.

You want to be Jason Tartick.
First of all, he was a

you know, he's bachelor. The
dude has more money coming his way.

I'm going to W wait. Why
you have to explain to mean everybody who's

listening. Bachelor. This is why. Okay, go ahead. She's opening

a bottle of Shampi the way.
Some people don't know that Jason Tardick was

a bachelor. Exactly. I just
reminded me. I actually didn't watch its.

I didn't have a heart to see
him get apparently he got dumped in

Thailand or something, or by I'm
sure he just rusted over that like they

do cry in the car on the
way home. Hello, written, but

the reason I'm pouring champagne is a
because I like to drink it. Okay,

good Ryan, come on in here, Babba. We're doing we are

doing something special here. But I
show your cute face. Even if somebody

is watching Youtube, you can watch
us on Youtube. Tobe are really fun

and cute and but that's what I
make a living, and so listen.

So I thought it in here right. Okay, H so he did not

come in and sub for me like
this. Thing was that when Jason went

to meet his Bachelorette, like when
they get out of the car, they

go and and Jesus, I don't
know, I got excited, all right,

so go and Jason got out of
the car and went to meet his

bachelorette. He had a champagne glass
or a wine glass with a bottle of

wine and etched in the wine.
Last was his family's toast. Wait a

minute, the bachelor who dump dumped
him. Yes, and so I thought

you would appreciate this. His family
toast is my family toast. It's Kiki's,

Kiki's family toast. So our listeners
might hear a say Kiki a lot.

Okay, so listen. So instead
of saying God, I say Kiki,

and I know everybody, anybody has
listened, knows this. So this

is two KI. This is too. This is his grandfather, who's very

much a part of our lives every
day. So what did he say?

He said to happiness and wealth and
all the time in which to enjoy it

in, because see, all the
time covers the fact that you're not going

to die. And cheers. Did
you get that guy's okay, she said

it in private, even though we're
being filmed. So the episode that you're

about to hear is just little me, but Anne's gonna come back in the

end, so don't tune away,
because if all that's not little you,

from what I hear, we're mentioned
Jason's book, which makes us what.

I was listening to the book on
my way back from San Francisco and he

mentioned all the people in his book. Called, called you guys. She's

only had a Civia Champagne. I
start to God, she didn't rob drunk,

she really didn't. I mean I
didn't think so. Restart Road Map.

There you go, there you go, just some cup flies off the

tongue. Restart Road Map with Jason
Tarnik and Heather Duffy as the commentator.

So I listened to the book because
I do listen now more than I read.

They know, everybody says they read
books. Bullshit, they'd listen in

their car. Yeah, well,
so I listened to it on the way

back from San Francisco. What a
good way to do it's like driving.

He was talking about all the you
know, famous people he's had on trading

secrets, because that's the number one
well, no, it was an h

and then he said and Heather Duffy, because we do a podcast together.

I know, but I thought it
was sweet. He said, well,

which would and absolutely ridiculous. Um, and listen, I do claim fame

before you die. I mean I
know that you're now the diva Jesus must

I can't even get her out of
the bathroom and she looks so pretty all

the time. Listen. So this
was a good one for you not to

be out. Then let me tell
you why, because this is a lot

about people who have suffered through shitty
corporate jobs. Paul's appeared hold on,

you've had shitty jobs. Just one
second. I have to give a shout

out because I went to do a
movie with Joe I swear to God,

my glasses jumping, I went to
do a movie with Joey Lawrence and I

just have to say for talking about
what, not having shitty having shitty jobs.

I mean, this is why you
shouldn't have been on the show.

I Joey Lawrence. First of all, he's been working tail off since,

I think before he could talk.
I mean, I swear to God,

this guy. He's adorable and he's
so adorable. He hasn't beautiful. He

has a grown up. Um,
yes, he has grown up, and

his brother and his brother and his
wife and and I just have to his

new winem right wrote. It's a
wrong calm. They wrote it together.

I don't play either one of their
mothers, but I just had a blast

and I want to say to people
who I mean, people me, we

go through our careers. When you
have sustained a career for forty years.

All right, he says thirty.
I'm at forty years of sustaining a career

in the arts and he and I
laughed over many, many things, but

they're like, you don't have a
real job. Now he supported his family

and his children and I feel that
sometimes to like yeah, well, you're

an actress up as if it's not
a real job. And I'm and I

am saying that getting into what you
talked about with Jason, because there aren't

real right. I do not not
have a corporate job. I worked my

ass of what people don't understand.
I get up in the morning, at

four o'clock in the morning, and
go to Settin work seventeen hours a day.

I betrained my body every single day
to be available for whatever it is

I have to do. Like,
hi, dancing with the stars. You

never know what's going to be put
in front of you. It's very different

life and people don't understand it.
We don't talk about it very much,

but it was really fun to share
off with Joey Lawrence, who, like,

is so successful because it works his
tail off since the time he was

teething and and and we were so
unappreciated like Oh, yeah, that job

that he's supported everybody in our lives. But yeah, it's it's that one.

So so, anyway, cheers to
you, you gorgeous couple, and

thank you for having me on your
movie. And, Um, and that's

Jason. So let's let's talk about
the book. is to get to a

place where you feel like your job, you feel about your job like you

just talked about with like such excitement
and enthusiasm, right, as as opposed

to what are we talking about?
What does Jason talked about in the corporate

world? I mean just as some
feeling of being trapped and that how?

And how? He of course he's
a numbers guy, right, so he

ran the numbers of how much time
he was able to be himself. It

was like on a Saturday, right, because isn't that you also occurred to

me is that we always talk about
how women, uh, you, have

to wear high heels and all that
stuff. Wearing a business suit must be

the most uncomfortable. Just can you
imagine having to wear a business suit every

day? Well, I do.
I look around. Of course, we

live downtown, somewhere near the courthouses
and everything, and if I've ever drive

you around, your walking downtown and
I see all the I do. I

look sometimes like how many blue suits
get sold each year, like the waste

style is defined in business men.
Is Is it blue or is it gray.

Well, now it's a little more
and then, but still, I

mean maybe the lining is a little
bit different, the ties, but your

expression is like do you wear,
you know, a pocket square? It's

like pocket square while you're really dapper. You know what I mean? It's

like. But but the idea that
is talking about it how much, how

much time do you get to be
yourself, which is a good question to

ask yourself, no matter what it
is that you're doing. So yeah,

and then we talked a little bit
about Um, you know, because his

book is basically for if you're in
a job, you how do you get

out of it? Restart that?
And then I brought up, you know,

the fact that a lot of women, after raising kids or men,

after you take that time off after
raising kids, how do you get back?

How do you get back in because
there's a lot of us that are

going through that now. You know, a lot of my friends at the

age that were not. Everybody has
a podcast partner. That's right. So

Um. So yes, we talked
about we talked about how I couldn't get

back into the workforce because my resume
was on a floppy disk. Just the

technology had changed. So how was
I going to ever print that resume?

Where was I going to find a
device to print out that? I don't

know. I say, people could
do that a little bit easier. Iman.

No, wonder you didn't get a
job. But here's don't even say

what a floppy disk is, because
you didn't have an office too. And

I'm not floppy. But here's the
thing. Or Saggy, just Def Y

I um, I want to know
what. I want to I'm not realizing

that Jason probably didn't know what a
floppy disk is. Do you know what

floppy disk is? Okay, I
mean he's I mean of course, I

mean that's it's Ryan. He's our
producer. He floppy disc is. I

mean, my God, he's not
twenty. He is almost twenty, but

okay, Um, I want to
say so. So what is the how

do you take that leap? I
mean, it's one thing to say you're

Jason Tartek. Okay, Oh my
God, you were a bachelor. Oh

My, Oh my God. Was
this before his bachelor days? He I

think I remember him saying he did
that before the bachelor days and when the

Bachelor came along, which you not
everybody gets that offer. Well, when

the bachelor came along, he's like, screw it, I'm I'm gonna take

that is a risk. I was
very proud of my tease that I did

in the actual episode, but I
guess I'll do it here. Okay,

do it. What did we find
out? Why? Jason Leaves his bank

ultimately, and it was after the
bachelor. So it was after the bachelor.

Uh, it was. Are you
gonna tease me like? I mean,

I was sitting here on the edge
of my of my kitchen seat.

Yeah, I mean, I'll tell
you this much. What it had to

do with sex? Oh Boy,
I'm really am sorry that I missed this.

Yes, from Jason. I'll leave
it something for sex. Sex,

what want to know? SEX WITH
HIS CLOTHES ON? No, I would

prefer the other way, but whatever, that's not as much of a team

fired. You got, you got, he got fired for having sex with

his clothes on. Well, I
mean, no, she just blew it,

like the whole thing about heather is
hilarious, like she's gonna I'm gonna

teach you, I'm gonna Tease you
know what? I'm just gonna tell you.

He got, he got fired for
having sex with you. Isn't that

confusing? Isn't that making? It's
confusing. I imagine with his boss and

it was in her office. But
listen, that's not what it was.

Clinton and Monica Whinsky did it too. Let's listen to take that out.

Let's let's you can. She just
doesn't stop. I mean, I'm telling

you. Did I say she was
a diva? She's a diva. How

is that making me a diva because
she just won't now we're messy. No,

it's already. Listen, everybody like
cut, get out. Listen.

That Jason Tartic episode starring Heather Duffy. That's true. We're better, Dick.

Listen and welcome back to better together. Jason Tartik. We're so happy

to see you again. It is
so good to be back. I was

wondering. I'm like, what happened
better together? I need to get back

on and he told me about your
little hiatus and everything you guys have going.

So it is so good to be
here. How are you doing,

heather? We're great. I keep
saying we, but Anne isn't with us

today, but show me back.
She's filming a movie and this is the

first show you're doing by yourself.
Right, it is. I don't know.

Uh, it's it's I keep saying
we because we're like we're like one

unit. So all by myself,
but I've still got Ryan here with me.

But it's so great to see you
and you've been so busy with so

much for people who are new to
us this season. Last season Jason came

on and was our money guy.
He took us through all sorts of ways

to save money, to invest our
money, all sorts of money tips.

And since then you've written a book
that is all about careers and the career

shift, which is actually very timely
with what has happened with covid and the

the great resignation. So do you
want to talk a little bit about your

book, which I read and absolutely
loved? Yeah, thank you so much.

So the books called the Restart Road
Map. That came out in April

and we did we did a book
tour, which was great. We did

eight cities, eight stops in eight
days. It was it was absolutely madness,

but it went really well and the
book was received well and had four

best seller list and was the number
one on Wall Street Journal new release,

which is exciting. Um and the
whole book is about rethinking and resetting your

career to the expectations and and and
kind of the vision that you've always imagined

as opposed to the maybe reality of
how life has led you down. And

so what I tell people is,
through my ten years in corporate banking,

I got to sit in some of
like what Forbes called the most powerful executives

in banking. And then through my
time in this whole media entertainment space,

I've got to see some of the
best of the best behind the camera and

in front of the camera and all
these little trading secrets about positioning and branding

and negotiating and redeploying your energy.
I've got to see some of the best

do and that's what this book's about. It's an eight step roadmap to make

the smallest adjustment to your career or, like, the most material shift.

We'll tell your story, though,
Tell your story about being in banking and

and and what kind of lead you
to to leave banking. I mean,

I know, I know it was
dry humping, but we'll get to that

in a minute. People are like, what in the world is she talking

about? Saying? Now, you
can't now, you can't tune it out.

Okay, you're locked in now.
Well. So my whole story is

I was a banker for ten years
and I was pretty much the Yes man.

You tell me what to wear,
what to say, how to say

it, where to go. I'm
going. I moved four or five times

with the bank. The biggest move
I made was from New York to Seattle

because management said it's a great opportunity
and they put big butts in front of

me and I was there. And
that's one of the things you talk about

in the book is that if you're
willing to relocate, you can, you

can make more money and you can
also get a higher title. Right.

Yeah, I mean one of the
big things you have to do is identify

which of the core career pillars you're
trying to seek and chase. I was

trying to really seek at this time
the compensation pillar. And when you want

to get compensated and promoted and accelerated
in large corporate America, one of the

easiest ways to do it is to
be mobile, to be willing to relocate,

to take opportunity inside the headquarters outside
the headquarters, all things I did

Um. But what the problem is
if that's your only career core pillar,

you might find yourself, losing yourself, and that's what I found I found

myself living my title and my identity
through the bank, the title they gave

me and what they asked me to
do. I got back from work in

Seattle one day and I literally had
no one my I didn't have a family

member within three thousand miles, I
didn't have any friends there because I had

just moved there and I was just
like literally a puppet on the corporate string.

And I remember this also lent to
a lot of like severe anxiety,

like I was starting to have massive
anxiety attacks and panic disorders and seeing some

psychologists and psychiatrists and getting prescribed Zand
X and Beta blockers to treat those situational

things. And what happened was,
when I really dug to the root of

it, was because I could totally
lost any sort of identity me. I

lost who I was and I was
trying to be everything to any to everyone,

is opposed to just being me.
And then I got asked to go

on the reality show the Bachelorette,
and you can imagine, managing reality TV

and corporate America isn't always the easiest
area to navigate. And after getting off

the show I worked for about a
year and I was really at the tail

end of about to leaving my corporate
job, which I had planned. But

to the dry home story. What
happened was Caitlin, my fiance, and

her podcast off the vine. She
has a confession she always tells and her

guests always have to tell. It's
a great podcast about women empowerment and and

really it's very similar to what we're
about, which is, you know,

being through honesty, we empower each
other and make make each other feel more

together. Right now it's like,
you know, education, inspiration, uh,

comedy, all the things that you
guys do through the fact that,

like, she'll have people on that
her listeners look up to. And the

reason behind the confession is like,
even these people that you idolize or watch

on TV or read their book or
whatever it is, they still have the

most like cringe embarrassing moments too.
We're all humans, doesn't matter who what

the hell you're doing, and so
that's her idea with the confession. So

she tells the story that the first
time we ever hooked up she were dry

humping and she an orgasm and she's
weird in a live show and she's like,

and that's how we knew how he's
my guy and, like you know,

she's she's being funny, she's she's
been relatable, and so that story

got picked up in all the headlines
and as a result of that, um

the bank pretty much put me in
the predicament go restart your career outside the

bank, but if you stay with
the bank will allow it, but nothing

outside. No more PODCASTS, no
more social media. Literally can't do anything

without our approval. And as a
result of that, I ended up leaving

the bank restarting a few businesses that
I've started, and that's why I thought

the restart roadmap was the perfect title. Does the bank feel? I wonder

how they feel about it now,
seeing how successful you've become, if they

feel like they were assholes, are
wrong, or do you have any contact

with them or if they contacted you? I'm just curious, you know.

Yeah, no one's actually ever asked
me that. And what's interesting is a

lot of the people I was like
really close with, the people that like

were my friends, not like colleagues, were still pretty close and they're all

super jazzed up, excited and want
to hear more about what I'm doing,

funny enough, my boss, my
boss's boss, my boss's boss's boss and

the president at the time, all
four of those positions. None of those

people are still with the bank.
Interesting. So the people that, like

you, know, an impact on
really what the result of that was.

Um, yeah, they're they're no
longer at the big they too may got

fired, probably not for dry humping. But all right, let's back up

a little bit, because I know, and our listeners know, that you're

a numbers guy and you ran the
numbers of how much when you were working

at the bank, of how much
time you actually spent kind of being able

to be yourself, and I think
that this is something that a lot of

our listeners can relate to and it's
something I can relate to. Is Somebody

who was always hated an office job. Hated it, felt like felt this,

just like Paul, come over me
when I walked into the office.

I remember my first office job in
college at a law firm, just thinking

this is I remember driving there and
seeing guys on the side of the road

selling rugs and thinking how lucky they
were that they could like be on the

side of the road selling rugs,
and I had to go into this office.

So Um, and then then cut
to getting my first job out of

college that I hated. So when
you talk in your book about the Sunday

Scar Ease, which is, you
know, that Sunday when when it's after

like five o'clock, when you know
like oh now it's just a regular work

day and I got to go back
to that place tomorrow, I remember I

would drive on the ten freeway because
this place was in Santa Monica. For

for local people, that will make
sense. But there was a mural on

the side of the freeway that they
were painting and I said, by the

time they finished painting that mural,
I'm going to quit this job. and

Uh like that, Jason, that
mural was peeling and and and and faded.

And by the time I quit that
job because I didn't know how to

do it and and and I wanted
to, but but it was you know,

at that time I was it was
like my first job out of college,

so I hadn't built up experience yet
and it was a different time.

We didn't have the options of freelance
that that we have now. It was

very, uh, you were very
locked into, you know, what we

call a real job. I remember, you know, living in Hollywood and

and all my friends, the only
people who didn't have real jobs were people

who worked in Hollywood, and they
wouldn't. would be out for drinks and

everybody would be like are you working
tomorrow? And like I get furious because

like yes, I'm working tomorrow.
I work every day. I work Monday,

Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, you know, and they would

everybody would just be like, you
know, asking that around and it would

drive me nuts because no, I'm
going into that place. Um. It

was funny, though. Even when
I spent a little time in L A,

I was like, does anybody work
here? So I could I could

see why if you were in that
corep brick rind and you see, kind

of like the the lifestyle of people
in entertainment and ours is totally different.

You're probably just driving yourself nuts.
Um, and I think I think you

made a lot of good points.
They're like, you know, it's never

been easier to make a shift than
now. There's never been more opportunity to

do what you want to do literally
from the desk you're sitting at today,

and so there's just so many options
out there to the numbers. Thing.

One thing I talked about is I
started to find myself on Sunday I was

getting like severe anxiety leading up to
the week, right the whole week,

and I felt like what I call
is like my career jail, like I

have to go lock myself, go
report to career jail and do what I

had to do to continue to exceed
the expectations and be the banker Jason.

And then finally I get out Friday
afternoon, head right to the bar and

take down a couple of shots because
I just got released. And then when

I felt like Saturday was like the
one day I could be me, the

one day I could talk the way
I wanted to talk and Act Way want

to act and be with people and
friends that were truly friends, not because

I was like networking, as I
had to show that I was like establishing

myself with the right people in the
community. I could just be me.

And I started to do the map
and I'm like, wait a second,

if I can only be me one
out of seven days a week, that's

fourteen percent of my year, my
my my week. You talk about like

your your livelihood. You know,
on average, if in the United States

were living until like it's like mid
Seventies. Uh, I'm living literally like

eleven years of myself, if I'm
literally just feeling like me, truly me,

one day a week, and I
was just like, it's just not

a good equation. It's not a
bad equation. I think the message there,

in a takeaway is if you're feeling
stuck, if you're feeling like you're

not making an impact or passionless,
you're not creating a legacy. You're doing

something that drives you in any way. There's so many options out there to

do something different. You just have
to readjust and restart what you're doing today.

And anyone can do it. And
I know people will say, Oh,

that person, they got this breaker, that breaker, this is what

happened. But there's so much tact
and strategy that can go into really starting

to write your own path as opposed
to being led for you. And the

last thing I'll say before I pause
is if you do not take proactive action,

this system, in the structure a
lot of big corporate just the structure

in America in general, it is
shaped for you to be lead. So

if you don't take lead over what
you want, you will be led and

the question is, do you want
to be led in the direction that this

structure and what I call the blueprint
will lead you, or do you want

to take control and make the most
out of the years you do have that

you're contributing to your professional legacy,
work and impact? I think those are

just such great points for people to
hear, because I think there's so many

people that are stuck in careers or
in jobs that they don't love and it's

it's really important to kind of evaluate
and think about what what it is that

you want to do. And,
Um, you know I do. I

do public relations, and what I
do a lot of times with new clients

as we sit down and we do
a strategic planning session and we map out

a mission statement, a vision statement
values. You know, the mission statement

is kind of who you are and
UH and why you are, and the

vision is where you want to be
and the mission statement, if done right,

is going to get you there right
and I think that people can do

that personally as well. I think
that, like in this I think that

that could be weaved into the restart
is that really sit down and write your

own personal mission statement about what you
want in your career in your in your

life and and I think that that's
something that can be applied because I think

you really and you talk about like
where you want to live and the and

and evaluate all of those things.
And you talked about in the book the

difference in living expenses from Nashville to
I think you were comparing it to New

Yorkers, every one of the big
cities. Can you talk a little bit

about that? Yeah, absolutely.
So I think one of the big things

is that you now that you call
it your mission statement. I'm calling it

like to define exactly what success means
to you. Your definition should be a

lot different than mine, and then
finding a career that's applicable. But there's

think about this right now. Where
you live, you're listening to this.

Just give me a score. What
does your city do for you financially,

what does it do for you professionally, and what does it do for you

personally? Personally is like, how
happy is it? You have the best

of friends, there's family close like
what does that city bring your personal life?

Professionally, what does that city,
that demographics, the makeup, contribute

to the area work you're in or
want to be in? And then financially,

like the cost of living adjustment,
and I put some scenarios in the

book of You. If I made
you know, Fifty Five K, let's

say, in Nashville, that I
would have to make about a hundred sixty

five K in San Francisco or New
York. Right. So the whole idea

is really thinking about how all these
scores, personally, professionally, financially,

contribute to where you live and what
the city is doing back for you.

Um. And so for me,
I was in Seattle right, it was

super expensive, Big Tech City.
Banking was not even on the map of

Seattle as far as like top cities
to be in for banking. And personally,

I had no one located within three
thousand miles from me that were family

or friends, and I was like
two thousand miles from headquarters. So,

yes, I got a good deal
to go out there, but the longevity

it did not make sense. The
city was not bringing the value to me

that I needed to and that's how
I knew for sure that Seattle, Washington,

was not the place for me.
And if you change the place that

you're in, it could have such
an impact on your happiness and your professional

acceleration and you make the good point
to really way everything, because I live

in Los Angeles and I know it's
very expensive and I think about moving out,

but I never would because I have
such, uh, you know,

a tight group of friends and family
and I love l a. So I'm

willing to take that hit, and
it's a hit, you know, but

I'm willing to do it totally.
And I give the example like my brother,

where I say, Stephen, for
the money you paid for your place

in New York, we could have
a customized place, anything you want,

Nashville, Tennessee, and exact response, similar to years is. But then

I live in Nashville Tennessee and I
love New York. New York is the

best place in the world. And
for him, and I think what you

just said is so important, you
said I love where I live. I

love L A. If you love
L A, if you love where you

live, you are in such a
minority of individuals across the United States.

If you could say I'm in a
city that I love, I adore,

I love it, I never want
to leave. That is such a small

for action of the entire population.
And so once you know that you're there,

now it's all about bringing the city
and your experience in the city in

your professional acceleration to the next level. Right. It's unfortunate I can't say

that about Kansas, but I mean
the other thing that I want to talk

about. So I just I want
people listening, when when they're done listening

with this show, to have like
really clear steps if they hate their job,

if they're unfulfilled. And I also
want to tie in something that is

really important and that comes up for
me a lot because I'm a little bit

older than you. Um, actually
I'm a lot older than you, but

is when kids, when when oftentimes
parents will take time off to raise their

kids, then they have to go
back into the job market and that's a

huge race start. Um, I
did that and it was really I wish

that I had a book like yours
two because I think it's incredibly helpful for

people going back into the workforce after
taking time to take care of kids.

And, Um, I think a
lot of it can be applied. I

think when you talk about networking,
that's ultimately how I got back in to

the workforce. was was using was
using my network. So let's let's talk

a little bit about that and the
steps that people can take and and and

let's keep in mind that that it
applies to Um, two people trying to

get back into the workforce too.
Yeah, so I think first of all,

networking right. People will originally,
you know, traditionally to get networking

like a little badge on your suit
and you're going to an event shaking hands,

trying to meet random people, and
that's not what we're talking about.

What we talked about in the book, the whole chapters take the work on

a networking. If you hear the
word networking and you cringe a little bit,

this chapter is for you. The
whole idea about this is it takes

one introduction, it takes one message, it takes one conversation to change the

whole trajectory of your entire life.
And there's such simple things you could do

right now like, for example,
Linkedin is the most powerful job recruiting site

in the world. Forty million people
a week are finding their jobs through linked

at. Forty million people a week
are finding their jobs for linked at.

So make sure when you're on all
your other social media sites, all the

people you've connected with through through your
life on facebook and on instagram and twitter,

make sure you're following them on Linkedin, because in Linkedin is the place

that they'll respond to a few things. One, a question via D M

or two, you might look at
their network and see that they're connected with

the hiring manager of the place you're
looking to go. That's a thought,

that's a strategy. Networking has never
been easier than it is in twenty twenty

two. If you're rethinking about getting
back into the workforce or what you're doing

and why you've gotta put into work. A lot of people are just trying

to spray and pray. They're trying
to just throw resumes at a place or

just apply to random jobs. You
need to take a couple of steps back

and really identify what it is you're
looking for in the place of employment,

what would make you happy, where
you want to work, and then also

your brand. If I ask you
right now, two or three minutes,

tell me where you've been, where
you're going, what value will bring to

me and where you want to go. You gotta nail that, because first

impressions are everything, and interviews and
networking and usually decisions in these interviews are

made in the first three to five
minutes. So I think reverse engineering get

your resume together, get your mission
statement and in Success Story Together, get

your two to three minute pitch of
where you've been, what you've done and

where you want to go. Together, then start to identify twenty companies or

areas or industries you'd be proud to
work in. And once you have the

foundation, you could then build the
house. But people just want to build

the house without having any sort of
foundation. I think that's really where you've

got to start. In the book
you talk about it's starting with companies.

You know that if you're going on
a job interview and you're researching the company,

you might be on the wrong track. You should you should be going

after products and companies that you that
you know, which I think is really

great advice, because then it's a
natural fit. Yeah, like the like.

The perfect example I could think about, heather, is like if someone

comes to me like Hey, what
question should I ask on this interview,

my response would be with them like
what's your favorite sports team or hobby or

thing that you do in the world? So for me it's the buffalo bills.

If someone said to me, you
can talk to the Buffalo Bills Right

now, what questions do you have? I could ask them a thousand right,

because I'm interested. I know what
I'm active. You should feel that

way about the companies you're applying for. Right, you're really interested in what

they're doing. The questions should come
naturally. So if you get to the

stage where you're asking yourself, what
should I ask this company in the interview,

when I'm going, it's probably that
you didn't do enough due diligence about

that company in the first hand and
know what it's a good fit for what

you're trying to achieve. Right.
For example, I really wanted to work

for the dodgers when I was younger
and Um, but but they also you

know, you also have to look
at compensation too, right, so you

have to weigh. You have to
weigh what how much you enjoy working there,

and then what the compensation is.
And there's there. There's a lot

of moving parts, but ultimately I
think a lot of what you're saying is

that you really have to look inside
yourself and really have like a heart to

heart with yourself about what you want
and what you need uh to be happy

and fulfilled and work. And I
want you to tell the story because I

think this is such a good networking
story and how people can really apply.

When we're talking about networking without the
work is when you searched, kind of

searching through social media to see who
knows who in what companies and how you

use that to actually get a job. I think that's a real tactic,

tactical thing that people can take away. So I think one thing real quick

I want to jump on is I
totally agree with you gotta get you have

to have the right compon station,
but also there's so many things underneath that

that we can talk through, like
how could you decrease your expenses so you're

actually in a place of you know
that you really enjoy a place or work

you really enjoy and when you do
enjoy it, how fast are you're accelerating

as opposed to place you're unhappy?
I think you could start off. A

takeaway is just pay attention right now
to the things you naturally gravitate towards.

Is it brands? Is it places
you shop? Is it's online places you

go, sports teams you like?
Behind that's a massive industry, behind the

industry there's a ton of money to
be made. So I think the money

will come and the question I would
say is, are you willing to go

without x, Y and Z?
Are you willing to cut this expense or

this nice to have you have?
If you're in a position or a place

that you love working and you know
you're gonna Thrive, I think it's worth

thinking about. Um, what the
networking piece? One of the things we

talked about in the book is there's
this uh, there's an application that I

talked about, how you can download
it and how we were able to get

email addresses for people on linkedin and
really just thinking about the people we wanted

to connect with and being able to
pull their email address, which it's in

the book how to do it,
and shooting them a really nice introductor email

of of who I am and what
I was trying to achieve and if they

would take a fifteen minute meeting.
Another thing too, that you could do

what I used to do as a
banker is I would follow all the bankers

in town and people be like,
why are you following all the bankers on

Linkedin? Well, and following the
bankers on Linkedins, it gives me more

information. If one of the bankers
were to leave the job or go to

another bank, I now immediately have
a notification that they left their role.

What can I then do? I
could see the companies they follow, and

it's oftentimes that they're following and interacting
with companies that are their clients. I

now can call on those clients and
say, Hey, have there been any

turnover within your bank? I've been
at my bank for five years. I'd

love the opportunity to meet with you. And the takeaway from that is linkedin

and social media gives you information and
you could do a few things. You

could use that information for your game, like I did in Business Development,

or you can use that information to
say, Heather, I know you're connected

with Anna. I've seen you guys
are really good friends. This is what

I would love to talk to Anne
about. I'm just need five, ten

minutes of her time. Is there
any way you could just make a brief

introduction to me, to her right? So I think using the network and

the network of people is massive for
making those introductions and people have done that,

by the way, and it's worked. There you go. Yeah,

and I think you want to be
tactful right. I'm not asking like,

I'm not asking you to put your
head on the line or not gonna line

for something that is inappropriate or high
risk or anything that would cause and frustration.

You've got to be very taxful with
what you're asking, right. You

want to offer something to you want
to yeah, you've got to offer value

of some sort. If you you
know, if you're if you can what

else? Well, I think a
big thing we should talk about how there

is negotiation right. So I just
want to put that out there, because

right now you've got inflation at eight
point six percent. We haven't seen inflation

this high and forty years. And
so a year ago today, take your

bank account and in multiply at times
point zero, eight six, and that's

how much your bank account is worth
less by now. Take your salary,

right, if you're making a hundred
K last year, hundred k today is

worth a lot less. Twelve months
inflation eight point six percent less. So

the importance of getting raises has never
been more meaningful because the value of our

dollar has gone down. And so
in the whole career, according to pay

scale and someone's whole career, on
the research they've done, only thirty seven

percent of individuals asked for a raise, not on an annual basis, in

their whole career. And the importance
of positioning yourself and making sure you're getting

paid for the value add has never
been more critical, and there's a whole

pay, whole chapter. I'm making
sure you're getting paid for the work and

value you bring to the table.
And people struggle with those conversations and they

struggle with the prep behind it,
and in the book it breaks down exactly

how to do it. But essentially
what you have to do is not tell

your employer you know what exactly,
uh you need the money for. You

have to explain to them why you've
earned the money in the value you'll be

bringing moving forward. So negotiate,
negotiate for what you pay and what you

are and applying that to freelancers,
because I always find it a difficult thing.

I you know, I'm I work
on retainer mostly and I realized,

okay, everything costs more and I'm
keeping my retainers the same. So it's

you almost have to figure out how
to negotiate with yourself to justify starting to

charge more, which is a tricky
bit of business. I would suggest this

freelancers right now. Go go increase
your prices this second by ten. Tend

to go increase your prices. have
an explanation to your clients as to why,

and make sure that explanation is very
tight, and you're gonna learn a

lot about yourself, because if people
are willing to leave you for a ten

increase of word an inflationary environment,
about eight point six percent, you are

learning a lot about the value you're
adding them and you're gonna get one or

two things of information back. One, you need to step your game up

or two, you're more valuable than
you think you are. and Are you

saying to justify that increase not through
inflation, but through the value you bring

exactly? I think that's exactly.
I think you have to be very tactful

with with what your explanation would be. You know, think gas prices are

high. Your retainer just went up. In general, this is what I've

been able to do for you since
we've been brought you on board. This

is my plan moving forward, given
the model of my business and the plan

I want to achieve for your growth, in my growth it is requiring me

to increase my prices by ten.
If you have any type of issues with

this or one an outline of like
what exactly value I'm bringing, I'm happy

to do it. Please continue to
just keep open conversation with me as I'm

growing my business, to grow you
right. And so I think those are

the type of things that need to
happen and should happen because more often than

not, freelancers are under pricing themselves. And finally, what about resumes?

Do we still need resumes? Because, let me tell you, that's the

thing that is always stopped me.
I remember when I first tried to go

back to work, my resume was
on something called a floppy disk and that

had gone out of out of,
you know, print out of you know

that there was no computers to print
it off. So people like, are

you going back to work, and
I'm like, I can, everything I've

ever done is on this floppy disk. I don't know how to retrieve it.

I constantly, I'm constantly looking at
resumes, Heather, you are.

Yeah, what are you looking at
resumes for right? Different, different producers,

are audio engineers or sales people?
Are they still old school, like

with with with their college and then
their list of child don't really care about

the college. I mostly care about
the experience. Yeah, I was just

gonna ask you what do you look
for when you're looking at those resumes.

Yeah, experience, Um, and
then I usually have some specific questions,

like what do you ask? What
do you ask? But it really depends

on what, on what it is
I'm looking for. But I mean they

could, I mean I just I
want to know if they have experience within

podcasting and then, if they do, I want to know what programs they're

using and then, if they're if
it's a sales person, I have specific

programs for that too. So I'm
curious if what they know about that are

like a whole crm platform or any
you know, a variety of things.

How many people have you hired through
networking, through like I know somebody I

know. Uh, it's recommended.
Yeah, like, uh, maybe five

or so, mostly not goode.
See. I would if I'm if someone

is an introductory right or it's even
someone because I hire on Linkedin jobs all

the time, I will require someone
to send me their resume because I want

to see their social media and I
want to see their resume because I think

the resume is a depict it gives
me an insight into them a little bit.

So tell me more right, I
think resume suck. No one wants

to write them, no one wants
to update them. No one really knows

how. But the thing is is
there's enough information to do it. You

can get resources online that will help
you build your resume and for me it

shows me like how detail oriented with
this person. How creative are they with

their resume and the delivery? To
Ryan's point, have they outlined the skills

that they have? They have and
they can execute right. How do they

write? I think there's so much
you can do with that. I also

think on your social media, that
is an online resume, whether you know

it or not. That is your
brand. And have you thought about your

brand and does your brand align with
who you are? And so it's yeah,

linkedin. Is a resume it.
I mean it is a resume.

And the big thing I tell everyone, and I explained in the book how

to do it, is own your
U R L. I don't care what

you do, own your U R
l. So put your name on go

daddy, put some form of your
name on there and have a brief portfolio

of who you are what you've done. And it gives someone such a leg

up if they have a website and
I can go to your website and see

the work you've done and who you
are and how to contact you. It

doesn't matter if you're a doctor or
a nurse, a business development officer,

a podcast or PR for for a
very affordable price, you can buy your

U R L Twenty Bucks and for
a very affordable price you can freelance someone

you know two hundred, six hundred
bucks and you can save that money up.

I know that's not cheap, but
you can do it and you'll have

a website forever that will show what
you've done and how you've done it,

the way you want to present it, not the way someone else can interpret

it. I'll have you know I
did write a resume in a panic during

covid because I did restaurant pr so
I have my I have my covid panic

resume somewhere. If I have to
dig it out time, you know,

we should do a follow up.
You should send me the resume and I'm

gonna, I'M gonna agree. It's
okay, it's half asked. I will

it's totally. It's a half.
It's like there, it's done. You

know. Well, Jason, this
has been great. Before you go,

do you have Jason also hosts a
fantastic podcast trading secrets. Tell us about

some of your recent guests and if
we can, and and what's the what's

the best trading secret you've got for
us of late? Oh my gosh.

Well, so I just had trading
secrets the whole premises. We we are

just getting into the transparency of where
money's made, how it's made and what

people make in certain industries. The
last podcast I had was very timely.

It was with pilot Pete, who
was the former bachelor and the Batchel or

at just premier, and he is
a pilot. He's currently a pilot with

United Airlines and I have had so
many issues in airports and so you get

to hear all the different travel tips
and tricks and also insight is to why

these planes are being delayed, canceled, what the maintenance means. You know

how much, uh, these people
are paid, and I was blown away

at the fact that, like,
some pilots will start at like thirty five

dollars an hour, which I thought
was pretty low. Yeah, so,

and they'll they'll only get contracted so
much. There are pilots out there that

make fifty grand, forty grand a
year, and my take was like,

I don't want that guy flying the
plane. I don't think I want my

pilot making forty dollars like I mean, it's just like it's wild to hear

about the industry and how they work. Like if someone starts at the class

that united right and there's like a
hodgepodge of twenty different pilots that are starting

through their training and specific gaistion immediately, the person who will have the highest

seniority isn't based on experience, it's
based on age. Another interesting thing is

that at sixty five you no longer
can fly anymore. So it's this wild

just predicament of so many things,
so many things. But I'll say one

of the best training secrets I ever
got, you know, to uh,

one quick one too. I'll tell
to one molly bloom for Molly's game.

It's a great episode and essentially what
she does is she was an Olympic skier,

broke her back, becomes an underground
poker host. She's hosting the biggest

poker games that they made a movie
and it called Molly's game. To you

know, Toby Maguire, Leonardo DiCaprio, Jack Black, biggest politicians, billionaires

are playing in it. You can't
walk into the game. Let's got two

hundred fifty thousand dollars in cash on
the table. And so she ends up

getting busted by the FBI and she
tells the story about Um she's at this

billionaire's Hedge Fund Part Party and there's
this big argument about who makes what and

there's a big response that has everyone
silent and they're like yeah, but the

difference between him and me is that
I have enough and he never will.

And she looked at her life,
saying I never had enough. I was

always trying to chase, you know, my other family members who are doing

better, more power, more prestige, and as a result of that she

got greedy and that greed is what
led her on her face with FBI,

you know, breaking down her door. And what she says is if you

don't define what enough is for you, you too may be chasing what you

think is enough for what you haven't
identifies enough, and it could leave you

in a really dark place. One
quick one from a Rod. Two was

a rod said he's had awful experiences
and unbelievable experiences, but the one thing

is he's experienced in his life when
most humans experience and like ten lifetimes and

he attributes that to having zero fear
of failure. He goes, I don't

care what people think, I don't
care what they do, I step into

it. I do it at twenty
two, I bought my first apartment building

at twenty three. I did this. And he's yes, he has access

to monopoly dollars, what he says, but he's not upgrade a failure.

And as a result of that,
he says, I have failed so many

times. I have had the most
cringe worthy interviews. I've had the most

embarrassing moments of my life, but
I've had those because I'm just me and

I go all in all the time
and as a result of that I've lived

the experiences. Uh. And every
time he's he's like, every time I

make a move, I get more
information and then I get in a better

place. And essentially, his lack
of fear failure has allowed him to accelerate

every aspect of his life in so
many different directions. and that really relates

to what we talked about today,
because it really is restarting your career is

a leap of faith, it's it's
scary, it's it's scary for a lot

of people to go outside of something
that feels secure, even if they hate

it. Um, it's you've got
to be fearless to restart. In a

lot of ways you got to be
fearless in the one. The Second Chapter

I talked about is called breaking the
blueprint. You've gotta be a willing to

break the blueprint you're currently on and
that takes a lot, but once you

do, I think it's a huge
launch pack of success. We can't let

you leave without giving us a little
update on the wedding plans. What's what's

the skill? Okay, okay,
Caitlin is show. CAITLIN right now is

in h we're just together in New
York City. We took her family out.

She's back in Nashville and we have
an absolute crazy, back to back

summer. I mean we are.
If I named everything that we have going

on, it would you'd get nausea
and thinking about all the traveling we're doing.

Um. So, at this point
we don't have any updates as far

as when, when the date actually
is. So we're still working on setting

that date and once we do we'll
be telling how there and and that's for

sure. Well, thanks so much
for coming by. As always, you

give us such great advice uh and
we so appreciate UH. Getting better with

Jayson Tartik awesome. Thank you,
guys so much for having me. We

miss you and listen and I'm never
you know, Jason, I'm gonna find

mice you right now. I'm never
gonna miss another interview. I appreciate Heather

and and and Ryan for for for
being here for me when I'm not,

but I do want to. It's
everything that we line up with better together

in paying attention to what it is
that is serving the joy in yourself and

that being the thing that propels your
destiny. But we have to and we

were learning about it through all of
these experts that we have on we're lucky

enough to have on that. It
takes a consideration of yourself. It takes

a moment to go why, what
am I feeling? Am I worth it?

Do I matter and can I change
my active participation in what it is

that I'm doing and spending the majority
of my time doing, and is my

joy worth it? Right on,
sister, right on, sister. A.

Um, I hope you guys enjoyed
the show and we're gonna have Jason

Back. For sure. We'll have
Jason Backenhald and I'll ask him to clarity

on that story about sex with a
clothes on. Thanks for making us better,

Jason, and a big, big
thanks to our better together team,

Ryan Tillotson, Silvana Alcohola, Daniel
Ferrara and, of course, and and

heathern. If you haven't already,
please subscribe on whatever device or platform you're

listening to this on and, as
always, see you next week.
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