EPISODE 8: The Boy From 6B

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Elizabeth and KK meet writers of Episode 7, 'The Boy From 6B' Stephen Markley and Ben Philippe. They talk everything from writing a high concept episode with no dialogue, working together across the country, and BIG reveals! Then we meet James Caverly, who plays Theo and his interpreter Candace. They talk about working in an hearing industry as a deaf person and life on set for Only Murders in the Building! PLUS! FAN MAIL!

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Straw media. How did you choose
the words that are there? Oh Yeah,

where their words? where? There
were there words that didn't quite make

it. A little that you are
hoping that even just one that we loved

didn't quite make it on the board. Think about that. Philip is,

he is, he is hilarious,
but sometimes his humor cannot make it on,

even like Hulu. So some of
those words I had to look up

online and like the urban dictionary,
and we could not in good conscience put

them on the scrabble board. Welcome
to episode seven off only murders. In

the POD. We're looking behind the
scenes and mining for clues as we meet

the cast and creators of the Hulu
original series only murders in the building.

I'm your host, Elizabeth Keener,
and with my cohost and friend Kevin Lawn,

or KK as we call them,
we're trying to solve a mystery and

get to the truth of what happened
to Tim Kno. As of now,

we've seen the first seven episodes,
so listeners beware, if you haven't watched,

hit the pause button, get caught
up and come right back so we

don't spoil anything for you. So, keener, yes, we have watched

episode seven of only murders in the
building. The boy from six B is

the title. So what do we
know? We know what happened the Night

Zoe fell off the roof on New
Year's Eve ten years ago. Yes,

we found that out. She had
a fight with it didn't start out as

a fight, it was a conversation
because she was friends with Theo, the

O, and they were up on
the roof, and then it turned a

little ugly. There was some pushing
and shoving and slipping and slipping and all

accidental falling. Guys. I yeah, we know that Theo had a crush

on zoe, so we know from
this. Yes, they she saw them

inside the looting. I guess right. They were looting. Yes, he

was in the secret passage way,
passageway, looking out, and she saw

him and I guess they developed a
friendship. Of the he had definitely had

a big crush on her, and
that's what we found out. Even more

up on the on the roof.
Exactly, and importantly, he also saw

that she had that big emerald ring
on. A kind of let her get

away with it. He definitely let
her get away with it. I mean

that's how big is crush was.
It was like take anything you want,

and she did and she had that. And speaking of jewel robbers, in

this episode we also find out that
teddy and Theo are basically grave robbers.

They're stealing jewelry from dead bodies at
a funeral home. Oh Man, if

it couldn't get more crazy, I
just got nuts a the grave robbers and

they're the big there was a jar
of teeth, yes, and the gold

teeth, gold teeth, and I'm
luns the gold teeth, and also of

everything. We literally watched them take
a necklace, huge thing of foot curls,

take it off of a Ad Body. Seems like they put it into

urns and that's how they kind of, yeah, transfer it out of Oh

okay. So we know that the
Ring Zoe was wearing belonged to teddy,

yes, because there was that elevator
scene where she was flaunting the ring.

They was doing sign language and Teddy
noticed it. Teddy noticed that. Could

you not notice it though? Yeah, exactly, exactly, and so right

after that he told his son get
that ring, get it back. Yeah,

big time. Yea. And we
know that teddy threatened Tim Cono and

and Directly Mabel in order to keep
the secret right. And you know,

the biggest thing for me to that
is that Tim Cono was not a bad

guy in that respect. He was
trying to protect Mabel. He cared about

her, as the Oscars expense.
But yes, you're correct, Oscars,

you expressed into a corner. But
did he understand? That's this is the

question. But did he understand what
they were arguing about? Since he doesn't

speak sign language? That's all right, because he just sees them. He

doesn't know what's happening. He doesn't
know the content, doesn't know any context.

He doesn't even know if if Theo
were like if he knew her from

before. He didn't know anything.
Right, he didn't know anything. Good

Point. It really is a good
point. Right. Last but not least,

now we know that Oliver and Mabel
have been kidnapped by Theo and are

in the back of a van.
So I think that's it's we're up to

up to the end of episodes of
episodes seven, so we have eight,

nine and ten to go. You
are good. I know, similar to

a lot of the team in the
only murders room. The two writers of

Episode Seven Been Philippe and Stephen Markley
have found their way into the writer's room

over the course of just a couple
of days. Ben Is an award winning

young adult novelist and hilarious writer.
His most recent book of essays, Sure,

I'll be your black friend came out
in April. Months before he was

officially hired onto the show, he
had met with producer Jess Rosenthal and heard

about an exciting opportunity to write for
TV. The pitch have the words Steve

Martin and murder mystery in New York
City. So that's not like a pretty,

you know, dreamy job just to
happen on my lap. And then

I met with John. I loved
him. We talked and geeked down for

hours about New York City and how
exhausting and amazing it was to live here.

And Yeah, I think we talked
on the Thursday and by Monday,

Er Hughes, Tuesday the room was
starting. Stephen Markley is the best selling

writer of the novel Ohio, which
is set to be adapted for HBO by

Sam Levinson, the show runner for
euphoria. The book was widely praised and

Stephen King said you could almost call
it the Grapes of Wrath of the opioid

crisis. Yeah, so Dan Fogelman
had read my novel Ohio and it's kind

of a murder mystery set in the
rust belt, while opioids, the wars

are AC Afghanistan, the recession.
So he thought perfect murder mystery and man

had with Steve Martin. Martin Short, this guy D and I'll see boys

edge. Yeah, interpeted on the
like a Thursday and was hired the next

Monday. So I'm sort of a
similar like. This is both Ben and

I's first TV writing jobs ever,
so we were both just sort of like

thrown into the deep end of the
pool together, which is kind of fun.

I was going to mention Steve Markley's
like golden retriever energy that first week

of work. He was the person
I was just like every thirty minus and

be like guys writing TV, how
amazing is first, I wouldn't beat each

and every one of you, and
just like socializing like a happy puppy.

How did you guys end up together
working on an episode? Oh yeah,

so we had had the idea of
footing around for a high concept episode and

our show runner, John Hoffman,
who's an amazing guy, was just like

hey, Markley, why don't you
and Ben Phillip, first time writers,

just come up with this high concept
thing, write it together, even though

nine of yous ever worked with another
person before, and I'm sure it'll be

fine. I'm sure everything will be
fine, you won't kill each other,

it'll all work out great, and
it did. Her two pig headed novelists

would be ideas who don't really know
what you're doing or have any sense of

TV budgets. Just right together for
Toms. At some point we killed a

horse. That was an early,
early draft of the episode, but that's

a big part of it. The
cutting room floor of our of our draft

of the script, I mean there
were trapdoors and you know, and they

got all kinds of stuff that we
just learned. We had that we had

to turn a draft in under fifty
seven thousand pages, and that became any

reason so much then tastes. Yeah, but that you a coffin with the

trenether were in it. Yes,
that's correct. It was just a little

bit older. Yeah, like Madelin, George and Kim Rosenstock, the writers

of episode six that we talked to
you last week, Ben and Steve are

also at opposite ends. Of the
country. Ben Is in New York and

Steve is in Los Angeles. The
time difference wasn't an issue for them,

though. We're basically two kindergarteners who
love playing in our own sandbox and then

suddenly we were sad in a sandbox
together and we were having so much fun

playing with each other's trucks, and
then suddenly we're fighting over WHO's truck is

who's and then we're like okay,
we're back to best friends. It was

like that kind and energy. It
was sort of like that scene. Whatever

people ask me about my writing relationship
with Stephen Markley, it was that like

that scene from step brothers, or
they just liked you would just become best

friends as like yeah, and first
it was writing this episode together. Just

I think we both get really,
really invested in the characters and in our

ideas. So, even with the
time difference, I would go to bed

having written like a thousand word email
to mark Lee. I would wake up

already had a thousand word emailed back
from him that he had sent at the

same time. We just got so
invested into the Minutia of writing this episode

it really felt like we were in
a hearty boy story. There are two

secret doors, a lot of spine
binoculars, breaking and entering pee poles and

still the exits the writers were breaking
the entire season. That hardy boys feeling

was something we wanted to preserve.
First it's introduced with the kids in the

flashbacks doing something very cute and invasive, but cute, and you know,

in present time it's our trio sort
of solving this mystery. So I think

we, all of us, always
had a sense of wanting to play up

the hearty boys aspect of it,
and because this is the episode where we

get all the answers, but a
lot of the answers, a lot of

them just like biled up to the
surface and we got to see our characters

actually they're no longer shy about breaking
into people's homes. They're just like leaning

into the investigation and finding the answers
with all been waiting for. This episode

is called the boy from six B
and it spends most of its time with

Theo Teddy son, who is deaf. At one point Theo addresses the camera

directly and says people in this city
talk to fucking much. We've been having

these characters sort of you know,
they're always speaking, we're always getting a

narrator right, and it felt like
for Theo, you know that was a

directorial choice, but it felt like
for Theo, you know he is.

He's a character who's suddenly going to
turn to you and he's gonna give us

this new perspective on what's been happening
in the entire the entire season. This

this absolutely new character. We haven't
really met him before, we don't know

what's in his head and suddenly he's
going to give sort of the the thesis

to the audience. I don't know, man, what did you think?

I remember from that. I think
something about the podcast sort of world we're

playing in revolves around Chiny people,
people that you can assume. That's from

detective Williams to our main trio.
They just sit in front of a mic

and it all pours out. And
Theo is a very private character. I

think that's just his nature. He
just doesn't want to share all his business

right away. And the other night
we were introduced to just strange new character

that we've seen around but that has
basically all the answers we've been looking for.

He's not just going to give them
to you and I we'd felt like

that was an intriguing entry point into
this episode. Yeah, tied into that

with Theo always conceived as a deaf
character. Yeah, he was, and

I think like to speak to sort
of thematic concerns. I then hates when

I get all like high minded,
a novelisty about things. But like I

was saying a lot about you know, like podcasting is about the cacophony of

modern life. Right, it's like
you have these buds in your ears,

you're walking around all day, you're
listening about one point, seven, five

speed. Somebody's probably listening a two
point speed right now to this and you're

just inundated with information and entertainment.
And I was I read this quote by

this poet named Jean Arp who who
said soon silence will have passed into legend.

Man has turned his back on silence. Day After Day, he invents

machines and devices that increase noise and
distract humanity from the essence of life,

contemplation, meditation, and I sort
of thought about bad and regards to have

theo with view the world and all
this sort of madness going on around him.

New York City is really freaking loud. It is loud all the time.

We work on zoom and every fifteen
minutes after mute myself because there's a

fire truck like right outside my window, and the idea of, you know,

having a death lead allowed us to
shut out the silence for the entire

episode and it was kind of a
fun writer early challenge to to see,

like, can we make this story
interesting without sound, especially since, you

know, when we consume media,
I think sometimes I'll speak for myself and

consuming like Mabel, like doing something
else while something is playing in the background,

and this episode sort of demands your
attention. We invited James Cavalry,

the actor who plays Theo, onto
the podcast with the help of an interpreter,

candace broker pain, who was also
on set during the filming of the

show. I JOE is say hello
to everybody. Hello. I find it

so ironic we you're having a deaf
person when your podcast. My friends are

not to be able to listen.
And for those of you who would like

to watch a video of this episode, will have a link in the show

notes. James is a working actor
who is deaf in an industry with mostly

hearing people. So we asked him
what his experience has been like, both

in his career and on this project. That a really deep I have worked

a lot. I have tended to
do most of my work in theater on

sage and there are deaf people around
that I can interact with, but the

television world, my experience, there's
everybody's hearing on the only one deaf and

I'm grateful for that. On the
set I had interpreters there the whole time

on the set. The communication was
not an issue. It was really wonderful.

But my interpreters I really felt for
because, of course with Covid we

have to wear masks, but they
also had to wear a face shield on

top of the mask. And I
know that podcast can't see us right now

because you're listening, but when we
sign in a American sign language, so

much happens on the face with grammar
and expression, and then they couldn't touch

their faces because they had this big
space shield on plus their masks, and

you know that was that was not
a big deal on the set, but

we had to deal with I would
say we're all, I have to fantastic

team. The director was wonderful,
the writers were both so attentive and open

minded and listen to me and wanted
my opinions as a deaf actor. Wanted

to make sure my needs were met
on set. Everybody was concerned about that.

It's really a positive experience. Casting
of the show happened at the peak

of Pre Vaccine Covid, the two
thousand and twenty holiday season. Everything was

in full shutdown mode. My agent
set me some information. There was an

audition happening and I heard the title
only murders in the building. I thought

what a weird ass title, you
know, but sure I'll go for that.

So I made us through the second
realm. Everything happened on zoom and

I did my audition and a couple
weeks later I got the role. You

know, very exciting, a terrific
opportunity. When his agent told him he's

landed the part of Theo, James
was down in Florida for the holidays visiting

family. Everybody was really aware of
COVID and they didn't want me to be

bringing anything to New York. I
thought, Lord, Oh my God,

I am in the worst fucking state
right now, Florida. All the cases

are rising there. I don't want
to get sick. I want people to

stay home, please, or masks, open your windows. I was watching

the hands fifty times a day because
I was so paranoid. I didn't want

to get sick because I had this
role and you know, it was just

it turned out my vacation wasn't very
relaxed and the scene he read for his

auditions were both from episode seven.
The first was a scene between Theo and

teddy, and then the second scene
they gave me again. That the Oh,

that was the scene when I accidentally
pushed the selle roof and that was

the second audition, the second scene
that I had to do, and then

I I didn't think anything. Not
It. I thought at the time,

okay, I this is a role. I don't know where it's going,

I don't know what the story is. Okay, accident would put somebody off

the room, right, right,
left, no context. Those are big

scenes to have to do. It's
in this episode that we finally get to

see what happened on the night zoe
died, but it's not immediately clear whose

falter death really is. Here's writer, Steve Markley. We interpret it as

a you know, zoe at Theah. We're two kids at Theo cared deeply

for zoe, coming from sort of
the socio economic place she did had had

had a cruel reaction to Theo's love
for her and in the heat of the

moment, a a disagreement ensued and
like the element of it is that's it.

It is. It is an unfortunate
accident, but one which can definitely

be interpreted as a cry and I
would say, I feel it was a

complete accident. I think theeo reached
out to grab Zoe and Zoe, as

she pulled away from him, accidentally
backed up and it fell. I think

that was a complete accident. But
for Theo, I think he also really

did love Zoe. I think he
was head of the heels for her.

So in that kind of a moment, I think the shock of it causes

him to run down to find his
father tell him and then the father covers

this whole thing off, which starts
a layer of deals. But I think,

and in my mind, a Theo
at the act of playing Theo.

I know it was an accident,
but theo been speaking for Theo. He

he can't forget it. He becomes
too, too burdened with it. You

know, I am the person who
is at fault. When Theo gets home

after his traumatic encounter with Zoe,
he runs in, collapses to the floor

and vomits. Even though it's a
very serious and emotional moment, we can't

help but wonder about the behind the
scenes details. What was that vomit really

made of and how many takes do
they have to do it to get it

right? So we asked James,
okay, what? From what I remember,

I think it was a combination of
juice, parrot juice. And what

house was it? Oh, you
know, I think mostly mainly it was

parrot juice. I'm not remembering the
other ingredient, but the amount of time

that had the prow up, I
think we probably had a good free free

tastes on that. And it was
really strange because it really got to make.

You know, it's got down into
my shirt, it got down through

my pand I was walking around with
this tube that was, you know,

really long, but the had a
you know, dressed me with and so

when I threw up, they would
hump it and it would just hum all

through that tube and I know a
little bit laddered on my shirt, but

it smells really pretty good. Smell
bad at all. So yeah, you

know, I could looking some of
the stuff of my shirt. It's also

bad. We're going to take a
quick break. When we come back,

the truth about lip reading, plus
how the writer's crafted the complex relationship between

Theo and his father, Teddy.
Welcome back. Today we're joined by the

writers of episode seven, Stephen Markley
and Ben Philippe, and actor James Cavalley,

who plays Theo and is speaking with
us through his interpreter, candace.

Before the break. We learned that
both Steve and Ben were first time TV

writers when they joined the only murders
room. We also learned about James's experience

as an actor who is deaf in
a hearing industry. In this episode,

Thea spends a lot of time secretly
getting information by reading the lips of the

residence of the Arconia it's it's a
wellknown fact that lip reading, if you're

trying to with read someone else,
you really only catch possibly thirty percent of

what the message really is. Through
lip reading. It's really, really very

hard. Is Guess Work. Some
people aren't moving their lips, some people,

you know, get food stuck in
their teeth, some people turn away

from you and start talking. You
know, so the someone else. So

what I always say is that lip
reading is just a small part of communication

and has so much to do with
guest work. It's like a murder mystery,

right. You're looking for all the
clues, you're trying to fill in

all the gaps, trying to figure
out what the message is. You're trying

to look for that keyword or several
keywords that can help you fill in all

the blanks and it depends on context, it depends on who you're with,

where you are. Everything about that
and doing all of that work and less

than pre sec that is what is
so hard and and it's a hard part

of lip reading, is it's the
guest work and so many times you guess

completely wrong and you're down on the
wrong track, or sometimes you guess and

it's right. Mostly, I would
say for me, my go to for

lip reading is the smile and not
my head. I some understanding and going

Oh, yeah, that's right,
that's good. Really do that. Would

you think? Yeah, I did
that anyway. Neither Nathan Lane, who

plays Teddy, nor Olivia Reese,
who plays Zoe, new sign language before

the show, and so they had
a lot to learn before rehearsing and filming

their scenes with Theo. Here's Steve
Markley again. They had a coach to

teach them enough asl to perform the
parts and they did a great job.

And then, obviously James was on
set sort of guiding everybody through the the

process, and he is such an
incredible actor and he's so good in this.

I understand what it's like to have
no experience in a foreign language.

So this one is afl and they
only had a few months to practice and

then they're meeting a real live jeff
person and it's a little bit like having

the beer on the headlife. Know
you're trying to use the foreign language and

I did want to make both of
them feel really comfortable and comfortable with me,

because we had an ASL dazzle,
a master, and unfortunately he couldn't

be on the set with them,
so he had didn't done the teaching,

but I was on set and so
if there was a mistake or or a

just a slight adjustment that needed to
be made, I was happy to give

my input and help support the other
two actors from you might have heard the

word dazzle just now, which we
learned is an acronym that stands for director

of artistic sign language, and on
only murders they had Douglas Ridloft, the

executive director behind the very cool ASL
slam as, the sign language coach in

this show. Zoe surprisingly knows ASL, American sign language. Have you ever

been surprised by an unexpected person knowing
sign language? Yes, yes, of

course. Several Times. You know, I'll go into a restaurant or a

bar and all of a sudden I'm
someone comes up to me and they know

fine and they starting to talk to
me. It hasn't happened to me.

Oh No, it did. It
did happen to me last week. I

was I went to a bar from
deaf friends and we bumped into bar a

bartender whose parents were actually deaf and
started taking our order and it was really

surprising. So it's actually it happens
quite often. It's not that unusual.

I wonder what you'll think of me. I guess you'll call me the old

man. I guess you'll think I
can lick every other fellas father WHOA.

There's a song that book ends this
episode. It's called Soliloquy and it's from

the Rogers and Hammerstein Musical Carousel.
Here's writer, Been Philippe. I think

early on Markley and I had the
idea that that Teddy Demis loves the arts,

no matter how sinister of a character
he is otherwise. Like he shares

that passion with Oliver and he really
wants to share this song with this son,

this one song that's really important to
him. And that horrifying scene at

the top of the episode was pitched
by another writer in the room, Ben

Smith, and we just all loved
it. We all got chills while he

was pitching it and John Hoffman knew
the perfect song right away and it was

like, oh no, this has
to be the song. And, to

be honest, I think form Markley
and I was still kind of a TVD

I guess we're not being musicals people. We're like gonna, I'll find something.

Maybe let it go from frozen and
then go. was just like no,

no, this has to be the
song, like, let's just look

up the lyrics right now, and
it's just back. Felt like it just

perfectly encapsulated the relationship between father and
son. Here are some of the lyrics

of that song. I will see
that he is named after me. I

will my boy bill. He'll be
tall and tough as a tree. Will

Bill like a tree. He'll grow
with his head held high and his feet

planted firm on the ground, and
you won't see nobody dare to try to

boss or toss him around on the
ground. Y'All, no money, Ryo.

It's a strange feeling watching Nathan Lane, who normally plays really nonthreatening and

comedic roles, conjure upt something really
dark. Here's Steve Markley. Yeah,

but Nathan really like stepped it up
and notch. I mean it's just it's

so interesting to watch your the words
you write, suddenly performed and you're not

thinking much about it. At least
for us, you know, we never

had anything we've written actually like make
it to screen. So watching Nathan get

frightening for that role was was pretty
interesting. I really admired for that.

For James, working so closely with
Nathan Lane was an unforgettable experience. Oh

My, Oh my, I grew
up watching Nathan, you know, in

films and birdcage. You know,
so the producers you know he was,

he is such a fantastic actor.
So then, wow, it was you

know, when they told me,
when they cast me that you look like

you could be Nathan Lane Son,
and Nathan himself that to make you look

like you could be my son.
Coming from him something like that and then

having the opportunity to work together.
He is such a professional, he is

such a wonderful man and our father's
son, rap whore and relation ship felt

that we were really bouncing off of
real energy. You know, we could

have really good discussions, we could
talk there was it just felt so natural.

It didn't take a lot of effort. I felt really less to be

able to work with Nathan. Nathan, as amazing as being on set was

for James, shooting during a global
pandemic had its downsides. My very first

experience was in episode two. That
was the first time my character shows up

and that was filmed in January.
So we came into our, you know

building. It was somewhere on the
upper west side and the weather, as

you know, in January is very
cold, in the s something like that

in New York City, and we
were filming inside. But the COVID protocol

required that all actors would be able
to take their masks off when filming,

but there had to be a lot
of air circulation, so windows had to

be open, doors had to be
open, air had to circulate in thirty

degree temperature. So what I remember
is how breezing it was while we were

shooting inside. I personally have been
suspicious of your character from the beginning,

and so have a lot of a
lot of suspicious has been. I've been

very suspicious. Did you intend actually
make us s aspect you in the way

you played your character? Did you
do things intentionally to make me feel that

way? That's the thing. Actually, I think that character development right.

You know, speaking as an actor
and as CEO, this terrible accident where

he is pure. So we off. I mean someone who carries that secret

with you in oneself for ten years, that kind of a secret, that

person has to be looking over their
shoulder all the time, has to be

afraid of getting busted at any time, any moment, someone could find out.

And I just think as an actor, when you think about that and

being constantly aware and having that and
that that does give off the persona then

I have a secret nobody needs to
know. Right. So yes, what

I think there are lots of layers. Will lots of layers in my characters.

CEO. The episode itself has a
lot of layers and besides how obviously

different the sound is. There's no
audible dialog. The director, Sharine to

Abbess, made a number of intentional
visual choices to after the conversation with Sherry

and the director, we talked a
lot about how this show would be framed

from a death perspective that episode and
we talked about how I was explaining to

her how that people are are are
how our visual our visual acuity, is

so sensitive because that is how we
experiencing the world. So I don't know

if here and people would tell or
not sell, but in episode seven all

of the Camera Angle I think,
are tighter, are more intimate feel.

It feels to me maybe closer than
some of the other episodes. So I

think that is to enhance the sense
of vision in the moment and I think

perhaps that is a visual different from
other episodes. And you might note that.

All credit really to Sharine are the
director the episode. She did an

amazing job and it just looks incredible
and sort of a sonic qualities of it,

especially when you're dears perspective or so
so gripping. She really did an

incredible job with it. A great
silent scene in this episode is when Charles

and Jan play a game of scrabble
that takes a sexy turn. Charles plays

the word hard, Jan plays the
word wet. They exchange a look of

lust. Here's been Philippe. I
was chattowing the characters because I feel like

Charles and Jan are two very proper
adults but who've had like a whole life.

Charles used to be an actor for
years, Jan is an artist in

a musician, and I feel like, you know, Wendy or feel comfortable

with each other's bodies, as Christian
human would say, they just could loose,

and when it came time to pick
those words, I was just like,

all right, he would do this, you do that, and then

we just had to like sort of
like make things a little more romantic and

toned it down a little. I
love how how, you know, she

fits into Charles the story of just
like pulling him out of a shell,

along with maple and Oliver in this
podcast. This is Ben Smith, the

writer of episode three. You'll be
hearing more from him next week in there

do at a you know, episode
for that do edge he's playing taking out

to the ball game like these really
chased songs and she's playing like if you

think I'm sexy, which carries over
into the scrabble what. Yeah, exactly,

idea, like very brilliant words,
and she's been really sexy with it

and so and then. But this
time he start he goes along with it.

So I love kind of like tracking
that and how she's helping him.

You know, she's definitely like scaring
him but you know, make it at

the same time, making it feel
relax at opening up, and it's really

nice. We've heard a few times
now that season two is in the works

and both been Philippe and Steven Markley
are back in the room. One of

the things I love so much about
Markley is that, like I remember this

really hating this man and him made
meet too. There's what time we're having

a discussion about this episode, and
we were just arguing you for at least

close to an hour about l most
minute, most ridiculous detail that I'm over

down over exactly like this correct and
I think Markley, just being to grown

up, was like, all right, what do you want to do now?

And I remember just like watching myself
cross my arms and just leaning back

as like I don't want to do
anything ever and we just had to sort

of like power through it. I'd
be like, Oh, I love you.

We're one of those couples we don't
argue about anything serious, but it's

like if you know the the milk
was left out for thirty minutes too long,

then we're going to have at it
for the rest of the day.

It's and now some clues. I
am very likely to spoil this season,

next season and even like future seasons
actually going. So I'm going to be

very careful and say that Mabel is
not a ghost. That was one of

the first theories that I came across
that I really loved. At people really

thought that Mabel was the ghost of
Zoe early on and it's keen us.

Sorry Call Theory and if I'm going
to serve like dispel, one theory is

that, no matter how much I
love it, Zoe and Mabel or two

different characters, and Mabel is indeed
alive. I have an actual clue.

Okay, make sure, make sure
your you might have to write this down.

So there's a line of dialog in
the first I've been episodes, which

is an Anagram for the childhood hometown
of the actor who plays the killer so

just figure that out and you'll be
good. Son, nom what knowing?

Marky, that's true. If that
clue is a little too obscure for you,

here's one more from the writer of
episode three, Ben Smith. We're

so close to the end I don't
want to I don't want to spoil so

I it's a little big, but
I think that the story for me,

the story of the murder and what
actually happened, fits in nicely with the

big themes that we've been exploring the
season. So what happened should and the

explanation for should tie in thematically with
what's happened in the show. Okay,

Kevin, yes, you know it's
your favorite time, is my favorite time,

but I still always forget what you
call it, and it's very funny.

It's the WHO done it something.
Okay, so this is the part

of the show where keener and I
individually put who we think the murderer is

so far in an envelope seal it
until we open it. Now. Yes,

we're opening it right, you're going
to open my envelope. I'm going

to open yours first. I have
been working on my opening and ripping skills.

Okay, ready, here we go, let's say. Still need work.

All right, it is, you
guess, Teddy Demus? Yes,

who? Well, in this episode
in particular, he gets very angry and

he threatened Mabel and Tim Cono.
Yeah, so, yeah, it's a

good guess. That's a good guess. Let me change you one second.

I want to write something down.
Change. Okay, here you go,

and Zoe and yeah, you go, and I think there is he.

Oh Boy, keener put Oscars death. You know, I went back.

That's what I did. The last
one. Oh, you did. I

don't even remember. I was as
far I've did Oscar's Dad, like,

I think episode two. Did you? Yes, I did, and that's

when we saw him. But the
thing is we never remember what the other

one time now and you know I
because I was I've always been saying it's

theo, it's theo. Yes,
and then I didn't give my name at

first, but you know Nathan Lane's
son, Teddy Son. But I'm going

to change it up because because he
couldn't have done two killings, I feel

like right, you know he did
that. Right, I don't know.

Maybe did. He could be.
He could be one of those mass murderers

about, especially since I also became
at some point. Oh God, now

it's a really bad guess, now
that I'm thinking about it. Right,

you remind me. Well, you're
locked in. All right, that did.

We're done with that. Oh so, listeners, do you have a

theory about who killed Tim Kno,
let us know. Email us at only

murders at Straw hut Mediacom. Thank
you for listening to episode seven only murders

in the pot. As a production
of Straw hut media. The show is

hosted by Elizabeth Keener and Kevin Lon, produced by Ryan Tillotson, Maggie Bowls

and William Sterling. Associate producer is
Stephen Markley, music by Kyle Merritt and

big, big thanks to Jon Hoffman, Ariavishe and the entire Hulu team.

See you next week again from keener's
closet. By okay. So now before

we wrap this up, yes,
we just want to give some shoutouts and

thank you for some of our listeners
and Kevin our listeners. So what I

think we want to thank them for
throwing out to us some ideas and really

good is they think it through.
I mean there was there's some people who

think it's will. There's any people
who think it's and who do? WHO's

that? I know Aaron thinks it's
will. We have waren thinks it's will.

Yeah, and John From Jackson,
just since Tennessee so and they think

that you know that he staged poisoning
of Winnie the dog. Yes, he's

AV using his veterinary skills, and
so maybe it wasn't a poisoning. Maybe

it was like he kind of made
saundated. Did saunter in when she she's

done, sauntered in and when he
was looking for Winnie, when he was

looking for her, I couldn't find
yeah. So and then there's also Ryan

and Jeff. Think it's Ursula,
Ursula, if you'd do, one who

handles the packages, because she's got
her side things and her side hustle.

And one of them said, I
think about in the coffins or something.

She's a whatever, something to do
with coffins, I can't remember, but

it was good. It's really good. And then we have two listeners from

Melbourne, Australia. Yes, and
you say melbourn because that's the right way

to say it, because I went
there and ever we called it Melbourne and

it was like no, it's Melvine, but where she? We're shouting out

to Lucas and esther with the right
thing. Melbourne, melboe. Thank you.

And Yeah, so esther. No, Esther thinks it's Oscar. Yes,

we know that. Okay. So
ester thinks it's Oscar. Ryan and

Lucas think it's Ursula. I mean, I'm trying to keep up because they

all have different great ideas. And
the last couple like Jean Carlos. Yeah,

and they made then who's from Ohio, where all the bodies are buried?

They both think it's Mabel's mother.
Yes, I mean, well,

they're all characters in the show,
so could be any one of them.

Yeah, yeah, I think she
has access because her sister lived in the

building. So, yeah, I
would know who she is. This is

just a lot to think of all
my brain hurts. I
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