EPISODE 7: To Protect and Serve

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The plot thickens! Keener and Kk are talking with Madeleine George and Kim Rosenstock, the writers of episode 6 "To Protect and Serve." They discuss the pivotal role this episode plays in tying together so many already established elements while still keeping the humor at the forefront. What it was like working with Steve and Marty, the reveal of Mabel's secrets and life, their work as playwrights, and their working together between New York and LA. PLUS! FAN MAIL!

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Is it? Does it mean something? If well, we I was reading

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and fourtant I'm just getting one of him.

I believed you for a second.
No NU miracle or numerological significance.

We just wanted him to up his
support. We wanted him to be like,

I'm all in, I'm all in. Welcome to episode six of only

murders and the pod. Who Are
we? We're just your average true crime

addicts, a little like Charles,
Oliver and Mabel, the three main characters

of the Hulu original series only murders
in the building. We're looking behind the

scenes and mining for clues as we
meet the cast and creators of the show.

Our goal can we, or can
you, solve this crime before all

is revealed in the season finale?
As of now, we've seen the first

six episodes, so listeners beware.
If you haven't watched, hit the pause

button, get caught up and come
right back so we don't spoil anything for

you. Okay, so we are
on episode six to protect and serve.

What do we know? So we
know more information about the police investigation or

the lack thereof. The toxicology report
was never submitted and the phone was never

sent to tech. Is there someone
in the police trying to cover this up?

That's a good that's a good question. I don't know. Or did

let's see, did she not send
them in? Did she forget to send

them in? Or she sent the
toxicology in but nobody did anything correct about

it? Wasn't right. Process,
right, and and now the whole thing

is closed. Right, the case
was closed. She closed the case.

Yeah, that's interesting. I don't
know. I think it also just leads

to her being able to give the
phone to our three you know. And

who hot what were the higher ups
and the police that stopped it from being

processed? And Wow, that's what
we got to keep an eye out.

There's a lot, a lot to
think about. There's a lot. Don't

hurt your brain. It's it's not
our strong suit, it's true. Okay,

so the ring. We know that
the ring that Tim was trying to

find was that Big Green Ring that
Zoe was wearing the night she died on

New Year's Eve. We also know
she wasn't wearing the ring after she felt

to her death cord, when she
fell, someone grab whatever it was,

some lost it was lost in in
the tree. Had It on side and

the apartment and she did not have
it on when she was on yea pavement

right, so someone took it.
So we know that Teddy, that's the

Nathan Land Character, has a side
business called angel ink and we know that

the jewelry guy that Tim was trying
to take down was called Angel. Do

we think Teddy is angel because,
remember, our prime sponsor has become our

prime suspect. Now think of this, you know, we keep getting thrown

red herrings. Yes, so,
I don't know, but that is a

very you know, that's how is
that going to be too coincidental? And

is he giving them money for the
podcast to see what track they're on?

And can he sabotage them? Yeah, who? Well, you know,

I'm going to go back to for
one second and talk about remember when there

were only four subscribers or something.
Yeah, Teddy was one of the guys

who knew there was going to be
a podcast and then all of a sudden

Oliver gets that note on his door
that says stop the podcast and it's dog

and is yeah, and sedd he
lives in the building yeah, so teddy

does live in the building. Good
for your prime suspect, right. Yes,

their prime suspect. So the detective
anonymously sent Mabel Tim Kona's phone.

Hmm, what do we think is
on there? Well, first they have

to figure out the code. So
how are they going to do that?

Well, you know, we got
to figure out those it's. It could

be for a kipt too. Four
numbers, eight numbers, be anything.

Six numbers, six day, yes, different variations of numbers. Patients a

number. But when what is on
it is got to be text messages.

Got, of course, is the
texting? And who was talking to film

right before he died? There's a
lot of things on that phone that we

need to know about. One thing
we've come to realize over the last few

weeks of talking to the people behind
only murders in the building is that this

was a writer's room full of wildly
talented people with wildly different creative backgrounds.

This week we got a chance to
talk to Madelin George and Kim Rosenstock,

the writers of episode six. So, just so the both of you know,

we have only seen up to episode
six, so we don't know anything

that happens after that. So we
have just watched your episode in the last

few days. So that's where we
do. We just like failed right after

we were done. So we have
not even watch the rest your we don't

put it is this season end.
Okay, so we can ask how did

you guys end up in the writing
room? We know it was a zoom

room. And have you worked together
before? How did you to get together

to work on a episode? I
mean we were we were paired together by

John Hoffman, the showrunner, but
I was a massive fan of Kim rosenstock

before I ever got into this redis
room, because we're both play rights and

I had already seen and loved her
work from the stage four years I similarly

was a huge but we're in the
same season at player. It's Urizen's where

we actually in the same we were
in, I think, that her musical.

Yeah, I remember sitting in the
audience for your musical. Same I

remember sitting Madla how to play called
what is it? The Watson, and

if I get a mess it up. I had a curious case of the

Watson Intelligence. Yes, amazing,
an amazing play, and I was also

there were things in it that I
was like my gosh, like I never

like I think you had a billy
jowel reference. I think, yeah,

an appleby's. Is there an appleby's
joke or something with the runners and appleby's

running gay. Yeah, it was
might like I was like this is like

my like soulmate, favorite writer I've
ever liked in can I just like all

these things that were in there.
I was like this is I mean she's

also like a genius, brilliant writer, but there also all these like kind

of like like weird references that I
was very madaline's play, the curious case

of the Watson Intelligence, was actually
a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and drama

in two thousand and fourteen. In
Two thousand and sixteen she won the prestigious

Whiting Award for drama and she was
a founding member of the collective thirteen playwright,

which has one in Obie. So
yeah, she's kind of a big

deal. Yeah, but I was
at a huge and I was so excited

when we were in the room and
I saw madeline was there, because I

was like, Oh my God,
I always, I was always wanted to

be friends with her and then I
begged John Hoffmann to Paremout. I kind

of I was so happy, though, I was so excited and I yeah,

it was. It was very but
yeah, we'd never written together before

or were and well, I mean
only yeah, but I but also I

just couldn't believe my good fortune because
I although I've been a playing for a

long time, I don't have that
much TV experience and so I got to

sort of like learn at the feet
of Kim Rosenstock, who is an extremely

experience the skillful comedy writer, and
it was kind of an amazing opportunity.

It was. Kim Rosenstock is a
playwright herself, but also a writer and

producer on great shows like new girl
with Zoe Deschanel, the gone too soon

netflix hit glow and ABC single parents. She was also the original inspiration for

Mabel's terrible bangs, the one she
describes to Oscar while they sit on the

bed, and her childhood bedroom.
I actually will, I can believe I'm

going to tell I had. My
mom created it. What we called it

just the curl, but she took
a big round brush and I had,

oh my God, I had bank, guys, I just realized I did.

She blocked it out, she took
I did. She took a big

round brush and would just blow bow
d just keep the brush in and dry

it, and then she would take
the brush out and it would just be

like a curl shaped piece of hair
and you like leave it. That's what

it's supposed to look like to expend. That is how I spent probably the

first fourteen years about my God supercuts, the kind of like a pepperman patty

kind of thing. Are you?
Are you guys in New York or UNLA?

Are you in the same singing is
very that's a great question. I

only want to take that. I'm
actually I'm based in New York. I've

lived in New York for about twenty
five, twenty six years. In the

miracle for me of the fact that
this was a your rooment that I could

participate even though I was in a
different times I'm in Los Angeles. Not

An interesting answer at all. Madeline
and Kim had to coordinate writing episode six

together from opposite sides of the country
and in two different time zones. Should

I tell them the Google dock start? Yes, I like exclusive. I

mean we're in the pandemic, like
you know. We're still I guess we

are in the PANDEM, but this
was like earl it was like June.

It was like really only a few
months in. I'm realizing now, like

really appreciating that. And I I
have I had four year old and no

child care, just like and so
I would do a lot of my work

like like between like midnight and like
four am, and I would be in

the school dog that we shared.
Just to remember. One Night I was

like all right, it was like
three. I was like writing and I

just saw, like what did you
write? Like, I just saw large

was like, what are you doing? Away another person typing into the top.

So amazing. Why are you doing
here all your yeah, The Times

change of Hilarious, but if it
wasn't madeleine, then it is time to

go to bed. Madeline. I
think I learned there is an early that

was seven am for Madeline, which
I think madain's like up writing. I

imagine you just get up and you're
just all your ideas are just spilling out.

God, yeah, yeah, I
really, I I am like a

caricature of good person. No,
I'm just getting but I I love being

on La time because I can live
like a whole other life before the room

even starts. Madalen wasn't the only
New Yorker in the writers room, and

even the LA based writers were able
to travel a bit while they were working,

something that was only possible because everything
was remote ms in. One of

the most exciting things when you're with
the same people every day, is like

when someone has a new background.
Where are you? A few weeks back,

when we spoke with writer Christen Newman, she described the show as having

a Frankenstein of tones. The writers
are always trying to balance mystery with comedy

and Romance and drama. This episode
is so packedful of jokes, but it's

also the first time we get a
glimpse at Mabel's in our life. It's

truly a balancing act. It's actually
really hard because I think often we would

this episode went through, I think
I could say this right that's like,

yeah, it went through many,
many dresses, and I think for that

reason it was kind of like in
the middle of the season and we knew

it had to do a lot of
things, but we also were often like

we were always shifting cut, we
were kind of figuring things out as we

were going, and so it kept
needing to serve different purposes. It's it's

hard. I think we would often
we would write a virgin or we had

some versions that we just thought were
like hilarious, but it was like it

needs it needs like heart, it
needs more like rounding, and then we

would go back and would be like
it's just a drama, when it is,

you know, and I think a
lot of the episodes were like it

was kind of like it kind of
felt like, you know, we would

it happened kind of over time.
It would be a process of layering things

in and and kind of CAP recalibrating. Yeah, accurate. My tote is

that that. Yeah, I think
that's right. I mean I think that

that scene around the dinner table at
mabels childhood home, which it changed a

lot over the course of the rewriting, but I think for our for John

The showrunner, like it was sort
of like a like a beating heart of

the episode and he always kind of
at this point, right in the middle

of her beautiful thought, we lost
madaline. So we let him elaborate on

the diversity of the room until we
got reconnected. I also think it comes

from the fact that there were a
lot of different kinds of writers in the

room and it was and cut.
It stems from even like you know,

I think you have John, who's
from like comedy and like but also can

do like more dramatic things so beautifully, but also comedy, and then you

Stephen Marty, who are like such
just legendary giant Comedians, and then you

have Dan who does this as us, which is such a like emotional show.

You're putting them all together and it
is kind of like it's like what

will happen? What if? What
will happen if we blend all these?

They don't necessarily feel like they would
go together, and I think that is

why you see this blend of a
lot of different things coming out and it's

exciting to see that it works.
You know, I think I think it's

satisfying when it's like, Oh,
you can't have a show that is all

of these things. And there are
there other shows but a lot of those

elements too. But it was exciting
to put this one together and to see

it, to see all of those
things kind of fine. They're their rhythm.

I think I'm making no sense.
Mass was a little bit Dan,

so great at know you were saying
that. John. Yeah, it was

the the mother was the beating heart
of this episode. I think just that

just the idea of seeing, of
giving us a chance to see a little

bit about like where is Mabel from, because we because she has a kind

of woman of mystery quality and she's
a little untethered, you know, at

the beginning when we first meet her, and that's, you know, one

of her sort of stuper powers in
a way. But then we also hear

that she has this pass but her
past goes back further even than what we

learn in episode two. Another thing
that Christen Newman had mentioned before was that

Kim and Madalen were the writers.
We should ask about Amy Ryan's character,

Jan, the sexy bassoonest. Yeah, I mean we're exeed this soon.

Player. Yeah, we were.
You know, we were thinking of all

the different people that could live in
this building. You know, I've lived

in New York a long time and
like one of the great joys of living

in New York is that even in
a place where you might think the wrench

is high or you might think you
would have to, you know, spend

a lot to live there, there's
often like an extreme, really diverse array

of human kind living in the building
together. And then, you know,

there's lots of classical musicians who live
on the upper west side. It's like

a famous thing and I think you
know sometimes classical musicians are wild and interesting

people with with lots of different capacity
than you might think, while they're wearing

their their formal wear and like playing
their woodwind. Adam, did you play

the bassoon or do you play a
would wind? Absolutely not. No,

no, it wasn't even a banned
in elementary school. So there's still a

lot more to learn about the bassoon
and the wild world of bassoon players.

Lucky for us, we've got the
only female bassoonist in the La Philharmonic Orchestra

scheduled for a chat next week.
Yes, what is it? Pissoon.

Sounds like it sounds beautiful where.
I mean that's that's the other thing.

is so like when you have to
word bassoon is funny, but and bassoon

is a kind of, you know, niche or maligned instrument, unfairly I

think. But also it's beautiful and
I'm we end the I think we envisioned

what that sound could sound like and
back when we talk to actress Amy Ryan

about her experience learning how to look
natural with a bassoon, she told us

about all the works she put into
figuring out how to hold a properly,

how to breathe and what exactly to
do with her hands. She's very sultry

with it. I have to say. I shoot she really that that sort

of down shot where she's got the
one shoulder sweater and she's going to town

on it. Yeah, I feel
like the real thing that madeline needs credit

for hair. That's also is in
our episode of Gutten Milk, because that

was her invention. We're going to
take a quick break. When we come

back more about Madeline's Gut Milk,
plus the complex in her life of detective

Williams of the NYPD. Welcome back. Today we're talking to Madelin George and

Kim Rosenstock, the writers of episode
six of only murders in the building.

Both of them had experienced the comedic
genius of Steve Martin and Martin Short at

an early age. For Kim it
came in the form of a vhs tape

of three amigoses. My first experience
was three me agoes as a child and

I watched it. Was One of
the few we do on VHS. We

only had a couple tapes in my
house and those were the movies watched and

again and again, and I watched
it over and over and over again,

and I was little, so I
thought, I really thought infamous met more

famous than famous, like the the
the jokes of the jokes. That was

like taking it back and I just
there, I mean and I was crazy

to see them on zoom. That
was one of the like most wild experiences.

And I will also say, I
think it's a safe space for me

to say I Martin Short was like
my first celebrity crash and and I would

couldn't have I was a kid again, but I was like I'm going to

marry him, like on three Amigo. So I something happened when he appeared

on zoom that like just took me
that. I was like, like,

I was like, you know,
I couldn't believe I was on a zoom

with Steve Martin and Martin Short.
But I also yeah, I mean,

I can't top that. I mean
it's it. This is the lamest possible

answer, but like I was obsessed
with the movie rocks and when I was

a kid, like I would walk
to the video store and take it out

over and over again. I wonder
what there is about that version of this,

your story, that a twelve year
old girl is like most like keyed

into. But it's super a super
strong romantic comedy. I mean it holds

up. That's a great movie.
Three Amigos came out in one thousand nine

hundred and eighty six, making it
thirty five years old. Rock San came

out the following year, in one
thousand nine hundred and eighty seven. Both

Steve Martin and Martin Short have been
making us laugh for a really long time.

But even though the show had its
fair share of old age jokes,

the iconic duo is is energetic as
ever. You maybe old, older folks,

but they're also like they're like great
geniuses over our time, like you're

capable of much, much more than
most young people. Yeah, I think.

I if you mean like physical set, like I yeah, I think.

I thought of them, as I
think of them as forever three and

the APE goes like. I think
that that is the energy they still have,

like like and yeah, I don't. I think. Yeah, I

feel like they would run laps around
me, both of them. I have

no doubt they have a great sense
of humor about themselves too. I think

right. I mean they have really
professionally, and then also it seems like

you're personally and they I think they
know, they know how to deploy their

immense charms in a self deprecating way. What's more, Selina Gomez, though

she hadn't even been born when these
two classes came out, she definitely holds

her own alongside them. She's got
a lot of heart and she's got a

lot of soul on screen, but
she's also super funny and she's not just

a straight man opposite them, although
she is also an excellent stray man opposite

them. She's actually she's good type
when they're making fun of her, and

I've tried to remember, but I
can't like quote a specific moment, but

I those are some of the that
like. I like when they give it

back to her also, and I
think it's like a real friendship, you

know. I think that's what we
were trying to get across. This is

three friends. Yes, one of
them is much younger than the other two,

but like they yeah, they are, they click, yeah, and

they also they split in, you
know, in interesting other ways to like

it's interesting to see Mabel and Oliver
together and it's interesting to see Mabel truls

together and they all have their own
individual like to two person dynamics as well

as that, that trio. This
is the episode where Charles and Oliver finally

learn more about Mabel's backstory, even
though she comes off as sarcastic. In

a woof her mom reveals how hard
life has been for her since her friend

died nine years earlier. It's interesting
anything because, like what we're talking about

here is like depression, and that's
not funny, necessarily like, but it's

it's a comedy, and so it's
like they're kind of learning the depths of

her depression, you know, but
in our show, like they do that

over gotten milk, you know,
like that's I think that's what's great about

the show. We all just don't
love. It opens up. Yeah,

it's connector gut milk, the weird
health beverage they were coerced into buying by

the case from Ursula, the building
manager, in exchange for Tim Kno's file,

and that came from the mind of
Madeline George. I feel like I

was one of Tho days we were
pitching on it. A lot of names

for and like right, or did
you just immediately stake up milk actually can't.

Well, I know. I like
after the room was over, I

spent like hours coming up with like
a different names for because I just felt

like it's the kind of thing where
if it's fun to say, and if

and and it and it makes you
laugh, then you'll, you know,

you'll, you'll want it in the
show. I don't know, I I

just was like, what is the
most disgusting and also lighthearted name of a

fermented energy drink that could possibly exist
that's really good for your absolutely good for

your ABS? I'm it's a little
buzz a buzz ves goot milk, but

got no, so that must any
from that a little. That's not why

you called it that, because I've
gotten no. I are you know,

I'm not kidding. I guess I
didn't realize why it's funny until this moment.

I'm learning so much from this podcast. This episode is titled To protect

and serve and it opens and closes
with monologs from Detective Williams, played by

divine joy randolph. We're all born
alone unless you're a twin of something,

but twains creep me though fuck out, and don't even get me starred on

Triplis, well, quadruple, whatever
to fuck they call I don't know,

because that's not my point. My
point is we're born alone, spend most

of our time alone, then we
all go out alone. We were interested,

I mean it seemed like a real
opportunity to be able to sort of

get into the head of somebody who
was, you know, by trade and

investigator since our trio, or passionate
amateurs. But also we like the idea

of the of seeing the podcast kind
of move out into the world a little

bit and seeing other people be touched
by it and the a kind of like,

in a way it's a coincidence that
her partner would be listening to our

guys podcast and that that would open
up a conversation between the two of them.

But then it also makes sense because
that a person who would be into

true crime podcast would also maybe find
a detective kind of hot. So yeah,

so we were sort of interested in
the in in her inner life,

but also in the the lived life
of that character that we own otherwise only

see, you know, intersect for
for plot. Yeah, we also,

I think in this episode we were
excited to kind of test this friendship like

that idea that Mabel leaves at one
point and it's this idea that actually these

were three loaners who actually now do
have a real relationship with each other and

seeing that I did that they don't. There is a lot of loneliness and

that show. There's a theme that
runs throughout the whole season, whole series

really, of all these people in
these boxes in this big building. Who

starts bumping into each other, you
know, because of this this crime that

happens, and I think one of
the things that we I really always found

moving, was that moment where madeline
or madeline on the marine. Yeah,

no, we're Mabel. Mabel come
back at the end and it's like you

guys are my I think I actually
have friends, like you know, I

haven't shown't had friends and a really
long time, and I think and detective

Williams is kind of framing that idea
and the episode, but I think it

runs, it runs in all the
stories that enabled did say she likes to

be in a pack. So yeah, she found the path founder another pack.

So yeah, exactly. I heard
gariatric pack. We get a chance

to hear about the professional side of
investigating crimes with detective Williams, but only

briefly and she ends up helping,
but she isn't the one directly solving the

crime. That's a job of our
doityourself, Detective Charles, Oliver and Mabel.

I mean, like I get very
I can really nerd it out on

like jargon or professional Linko or,
you know, for me, like the

daily habits of of the sort of
bureaucracy of a system like the MPD is

really interesting. None of those things
have a place in this show. So

like, in the end, really
what we were what we were gonna like

go full, as you say,
procedural in the middle of what is otherwise

a kind of like heartful and also
rompy murder mystery, like comedy. But

I think we were like conscious of
the fact that I mean this. You

know, this is also the episode
where the we're Oliver and Charles come to

understand Oh, there's a real story
at the heart of this true, quote

unquote story, and and and the
the cops are a part of that.

You know, they're involved in real
crime and giving us a chance to kind

of humanize that a little bit was
important. But that you always you had

the great line that I think made
it in, which was when is it

Steve who says and he's real legitimately
realizing it, once they realize Mabel's role

and all of this, and he's
like every true crime story is actually true

for someone and this is just occurring
to you. I guess it feels personal

now. I it's somebody's real story. Yeah, you know the Clee.

So easy for us to consume it
as entertainment and that is how it is

presented. It's presented alongside fiction and
it's easy and it often is more entertaining

than fiction because it's because it's real. But it's easy to forget it's real

people to people, the real people, and especially so they have that.

They have that great moral quandary which
I think they I like that Marty's like

is it really an issue? Like, sorry, I'm follier, but like

it's that idea that should we contain
went before she comes back and they're like,

I mean, is it right to
keep exploiting this, this tragedy that

happened, like you know, or
is this order even work with her?

I think their mom, the mom, Mabel's mom, raises that question of

like what are you? You're like
making her relive your this trauma like for

a podcast, like, you know, like is it really worth it,

and and to really just like actually
look at like the moral repercussions of what

you're doing thing. I think that's
the first time they really have to grapple.

Okay, I think we thought we
we wondered if there might be more

of a sort of like like internacy
and storyline that could happen with the NMPD,

but then it just felt like we
were going to pull threads that we

weren't going to. Also, I
mean, there's only so much you can

do in half an hour. So
we did like the idea that she starts

out being like, you know,
this stuff is bullshit, and then she

comes around by the ender she's like, you know what, maybe maybe there's

a way that I could that they
can help me, and I didn't help

them, you know, and I
mean, and that's the sort of last

beat of the episode. The episode
asks a lot of questions about the morality

of making true crime podcast and in
the end they take an optimistic view.

Well, that's a different kind of
investigation that actually can have an impact and

help the real cry like the real
they can do things that she can't do.

They can because they have. I
mean they have a they're just kind

of like blissfully ignorant about some things, but also they don't have the responsibilities

that she has. They don't have
the rules that she has. They have

no rules there in the wild west, like so like they actually are.

They have access to things that she
doesn't, which and can maybe make a

huge difference. Madeline was able to
draw on her own favorite characters in the

female detective genre, like Helen Mirren
and prime suspect, but both madeline and

Kim had a lot of fun getting
into the head of detective Williams. I

was just like, Oh my God, we had like this this character,

like we went was like this is
amazing, like what could we do?

And it is like we have half
an hour. She's not the main character,

and that like that. It is
once you are it's like the having

that character there. It's like you
want it. Felt like she deserved a

story of her own and hopeful and
like it was fun to maybe we could

have you could write a whole stories
about that character. Basically, I mean

we know what we know a lot
about her that that never make it to

the screen, and Teddy also tells
a story about his grandmother coming over from

Greece and the coins. Is that
something that is going to play into the

story later on? Also, why
I know about the story because that was

a great story. Is like a
three minute right, was like a three

minute monolog kind of things. That
story is purely from John Hoffman, our

show runner, and it is a
I think it's something that he yeah,

I think he he was excited to
write that. Yeah, but we can't,

I don't think we can take credit
for that one. No, we

can't take credit for the specifics of
it. But everything in this episode somehow,

you know, pit plays into things
that come that come later. Yeah,

in terms of what interests, whether
or not it's going to be significant,

everything is. Everything is significant.
Sounds like a clue, right.

Well, they're actual clues. Were
very interesting and we'd love some help from

you, our listeners, to figure
out what they really mean. So listen

carefully. The clue to who done
it has been said in a lie already

on your podcast, said in a
low im going to say, Ah God,

something we discussed here on this podcast. A clue I'd tied to the

person who did yeah, but it's
also everything is connected to everything. I

mean it's in the show. That
isn't what I said was nothing. We've

talked about something here. Will be
something we ended up cutting out of the

interview or something that we left in
for now? We just don't know.

Okay, now it's one of your
favorite times, my favorite part of every

episode. It's the WHO done it
summit. This is the part of the

episode where keener and I each put
in an envelope and seal it. Who

we think is the killer as of
the episode just watched the word? Yes,

episode six now, so as of
episode six, this is who I

think is the count. Yes,
and you've done some obvious and you've sent

some, done some bone hit any
but done some nothing's well, all right,

welcome to my word the envelope,
please. Oscar's father the Super Yes,

HMM, okay. Would you like
to do mine now? Yes,

okay, rip that, peppy,
okay, open. You need to work

on that. You put Teddy's son
Theo. Yes, thank. Nathan Lane's

sign. Yes, I gave him
the name this time. Pardon me,

part of me, the Oh,
I kept saying Nathan Lane's son, Teddy

Sun. Yes, I still believe
it's him. Why? Because, like

I said before, only a few
people knew about the podcast when he had

when Oliver got the note saying stop
the podcast or die or what? And

I he was one of them.
Do you feel it in your gut and

my gut milk is at the gut
milk? Yeah, I feeling that thirty

of a buzz. I'm feeling that
thirteen percent alcohol right now. Only murders

in the pods of production of Straw
hut media. The show is hosted by

Elizabeth Keener, me and Kevin Lawn, produced by Ryan Tillotson, Maggie Bowls

and William Sterling. Associate producer is
Steven Markley. Music by Kyle Merritt and

big, big thanks to Jon Hoffman, Auravishet and the entire Hulu Tin.

Hey Keener, yes, I heard
we got some fan mail. Well,

I wouldn't call it fan mail.
I think it's going to call people.

You call it that, but I
think it's Um. Well, we'll just

do a couple of them, but
one is Anna. Thank you so much,

and Jennifer, thank you so much. So we asked people to to

send some emails in their thoughts of
who the murderer might be, the thoughts

about the show, why and all
those things. So Anna, Anna had

a very interesting idea. She thinks
the killer is teddy, Nathan Lane's character.

She thinks that he hired Ursela.
Do you remember Ursula? They called

her the sea, which she was
down the basement of the packages. Yes,

yes, and speaking of Gott Noll, she has all the side Hustle.

Yes, so she thinks one of
the side hustles could be to kill,

to Cona. I like that guess
because that runs in the family,

because you know my guests has been
the same for her three or four episodes.

So good one, Anna, thank
you so much, and Brandifer m

also thanks. It's Teddy. What? Yes, and she has a theory.

So d miss that's the name of
their Deli. Yeah, Teddy Dems

and Sandmis, which is a city
here in California which is Saint dims and

St Demis is the patron saint of
repentant thieves. WHO, Gosh, we've

got some great listeners right. Wow, that is such a good we're going

to have to keep an eye and
keep on that, because that was really

a good that's a good guess.
Yeah, that the the way she thought

about is thought it. They're thinking
more than US know. Thank you guys

so much. Keep writing in,
please do, and we hearing from our

fans. We did well. You
call them fans. I call the listeners,

but thank you, we'll call him
that. Yeah, all right,

thanks, guys. Thanks for sending
in your theories. We love reading them.

Keep them coming. Send them to
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