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we have first up. Here's Anthony. I don't remember what the plot of

this is at all. Welcome to
the show, Shanny, our favorite heror

Anthony. Welcome to behind the shadows, the show where we try to recall

what that thing was that we shot
and which what storyline was, and that,

Um, you know, that's funny. That's not the first time that

we've had this conversation because we people
may not know this, but we cross

shoot, uh, the episode.
So that means that one day you've been

on set when this happens, like
in the morning we're shooting like, you

know, three Oh six, and
then by lunchtime we're we're shooting three O

two. So we're going backwards and
forwards and backwards. How do you like,

how do you deal with that?
Like how how's your thought process when

you when you do a cross shooting
episod? You know, uh, I

think that that. I mean,
I've only had to it's funny. I've

probably have to deal with it more
than than most because I come up for

these weird sections. I think they
try to also schedule me so they can

save money, you know, for
how long I'm there. Right. So,

so I would say that one sean
has a level, a level of

consistency as a character, so it's
not particularly hard to go. Well,

which emotional state is Sean and is
he confused or is he sort of aggressive?

Uh, the sort of two basic
modes he's in. Um. But

you know, my thing is this
and I'm the worst, because I'm the

worst for a long time at learning
lines, like really getting lines until I

realized that that's how I actually would
have to make a living. So,

Um, I in the immortal words
of Um of a person whose name I'm

now going to forget. Uh what, sir? WHO's the actress from,

uh, Romancing the stone, Kathleen
Turner. She said this to me.

She went learned the words, learn
the words. She said it like that

really ominously when I was like a
waiter, and I was like, what

do you think is the best advice
for acting, and she went, just

learn the goddamn script. So,
Um, I just know it backwards and

forwards. That's the thing and that's
what allows me to improvise. I think

is like with not so much fear, is that I know I can always

go back into the script, you
know what I mean. I'M NOT AFRAID

THAT I'll lose my spot. So
I'd say that's the best advice for block

shooting, is just know everything backwards
and forwards so that when you go in

you're not trying to catch up.
That's true, because once you have that,

like that's set like in stone,
like you know the story in your

head, like you know exactly where
you are in the map. So then

you're like no, no, no, no, because we just talked about

in this and then we're gonna go
too, so that you can kind of

do the whole storyline really quickly in
your head and someday. It's hard to

think when it's crossing Um, especially
when you improvise, because when you add

Lib a little bit here and there, you're like, wait, did that

happen? Did we was that part
of the story or did we add that?

Because then does that makes sense to
bring it back in this episode?

We Are we going to use that
in the episode? Because if we don't

use it in the episode, it
will make sense that I bring it back

in this episode, you know what
I mean, so that it's a throwback

to something. Yes, that's so
true, that what you just said is

so true, which is the two
fears I have is that I'm going to

improvise something that's going to be a
character defining thing that the writers are gonna

like and I'm not gonna like it
and it was just like a toss away

right. So that's one. Is
a fear that I will say something that

will like reframe or kill my character
off, which is my deepest fear Um.

And the other one is I guess
I also have the thing of like,

as much as I want to believe
that everything off the top of my

dome is like a new thing,
the truth is we sort of run in

like a golden ratio in our mind, like we run over the same sort

of Um spiral, but we keep
moving out from the center. So you'll

end up kind of passing the same
sort of jokes or concepts as you keep

moving outward mentally. So if you
do that sort of block shoot and you've

been somewhere in the morning and then
you show up in the afternoon and you

find yourself sort of maybe still coming
from the mornings sort of context of jokes

and energy and then bringing that into
the other one and it's like that's not

at all the energy here, or
this contradicts completely. The only thing I

trust is that they cut out probably
nine of my Improv so I don't have

to worry that much about it.
But yes, it's good Improv. Thank

you, Janna, and thank you
Janna. Thank you JA. But I

mean the thing about you know,
the cool thing about Na is that she

does give us, and so does
Kyle, like they give us that freedom

to do so many takes, but
it's so heartbreaking because you know that,

like you said, it's never gonna
make it, but you like I really

hope they go with that take that
but the good thing is that we have,

you know, especially with you,
like I like, there's so many

takes. We're on set and I
just recall like being with you on set

and and you throw so many good
things and I'm like any of these,

any of these, would be gold, and it's just like killing your darlings,

you know what I mean, like
it's it's just so good and you're

like any of these would work any
but I my my favorite is this one

and then someone else's favorite is another
one. So it comes it comes down

to the show at all where it's
like, let's just pick what moves the

story along and fits with that in
that character, in that moment. So

sometimes, you know, your favorite
parts are like no one's ever going to

see that, or will they?
I wonder if we'll ever. Have we

talked about bloopers or having like out
takes or something that could come out,

but we don't know. We should
have a blooper reel. You know,

when I worked for Suzanne Summers ago, you couldn't let twenty seconds go by

with letting dropping name Harvey. I
will name drop all day over this thing,

and I'll tell you I stole the
season four, step by step blooper

reel from her storage corot at home
and got high and watched it. Can

I say that on this yeah,
and uh, okay, good and UH.

I wish we had like a really
good but there's nothing is better than

a good blooper. Real well,
we have tons of it. I think

they're saving it for like a big
anniverse or something, which is like just

let them out now, like as
we go along. You know, my

theory is that, we just said
we have so much. I got to

see the bloopers from season two.
Uh. We were gonna maybe, you

know, display a little bit of
it and then at the last minute they're

like no, let's save it,
let's save it. Uh. And so

we kind of like put in the
back burner, but I got to see

some of it really yeah, and
so I think whenever it does come out,

it's gonna be like all at once
and it's get ready. You'RE gonna

have to put a side like a
whole weekend or something, because it's gonna

be good. Well, I also
like you're like this. I feel like

is that you're someone who I,
at least this is my outside observation with

in terms of Improv and doing scenes
over and over is I find, like

I see you work in the way
of sort of like each time is this

sort of new improvement on the last
on the last take what you know,

plus adjustments or whatever people make,
but sort of really find finding the comedic

sort of balance between the material and
making sure that it's funny and natural and,

uh, watching that you sort of
grow a little piece of a move

each take. I'll watch you sort
of grow a move until it finds it's

will like sort of come up from
the soil and you go, oh,

there it is, and then you
and then you see you move in that.

But so much of it, to
me at least, I don't know

how much of it. I presume
it's it's improvised and I thought that in

the wedding. I always keep talking
about this and it's like it's probably not

even in there, but just doing
the like figuring out the physical comedy with

you and that very brief bit where
we intersect with each other and each time

it's sort of changing and shifting was. Those things are so much fun to

me. Sometimes it's not even saying
something, sometimes it's just realize an incidental

move says so much, you know, a hand movement, of Body Movement,

and I think people forget that improvisation
is not just of the mind,

it's of the body and behavior as
well. As an Improv teacher, uh,

former I should say, Um and
so, I mean everyone. So

you know, it's it's a pretty
great it's a pretty amazing thing to have

such an all star and I would
say not since thirty rock, and of

course I was nobody, you know, I was just a little extra there,

but the same level of play.
Like thirty rock had so many improvisers

that you would just see things go
in different directions. Is some of that

vibe on on on shadows of that
energy of just everyone can go anywhere.

And Yeah, I mean Kyle and
Ayanna just you know, they'll let you

go until you know, sometimes kyle
come in and tap me on the back

and go, okay, we need
to get a little bit of the script

out of this. We got we
got a day to make no, but

it's true. The yeah, I
think with me it's like because the getimost

you know, the straight man in
the show, which is like to play

with all these characters that are bigger
than life and and and so wonderful and

and almost like a forst. You
know. It's almost like it's so great

to be around the energy, but
it's so hard to contain the Yetimo,

to keep him into like he has
to be grounded, but he has to

be funny, but he can't be
too broad and too big. So it's

like, like you said exactly that
it's like I plant the seed and it's

like we do a take and I
water it and it's just like slowly,

because then I have to see what
they're interaction with him is going to be

and I have to see what they're
gonna give him, because if they're if

everyone's screaming at the top of their
no lungs, it's not gonna it's not

gonna compliment the scene. It's gonna
be like if they're up here, then

he him has to stay steady and
like compliment them from down here into like

leveled up. Otherwise it's just too
too much friction. It's just two parents,

you know, going back and forth. Uh, and so I feel

for me. It's like I planted. I yeah, you're exactly right.

The seed sprout there, it is
there, and then are we comfortable with

that level? And then we land
it and then it's like okay, great,

and now we can like take it
anywhere we want. Are Do adjustments

and stuff, which I think,
uh, is good for the scene.

I think it's that. That's what
keeps the rhythm of the going. I

think that's what the dynamic of the
characters meshed so well with each other because

of that. Yeah, well,
and I mean, yeah, of course

you need balance. What is it
you need? You know, you need

acid to balance out uh, bases, right, you need, you know,

in cooking, you need all these
different things to sort of make the

flavor balance. And the thing to
me that's funny, though, is that,

even though Garmo is a straight man, it's so funny because it's like

in this show it's like Gama is
the straight man and you're like he's hilariously

funny and and and, in in
equal parts, sort of subtle moment where

it's just a look right and other
things where you are like kicking ass and

then also like exploding on someone and
like so to me it's so funny that

even our baseline for what straight man
is still like funnier and and engage right,

and it's like to me that's such
a quality of the show as like

even our standards are totally different,
you know, because you think of straight

man too and like so many things
that are sort of run of the mill

comedy or maybe even like Rom coms
and things, and so much of it

is more this generally, especially in
the twenty one century, a sort of

like someone put it like a little
ship under their nose and they're just always

like, like, they're just like
always sort of just like not having it,

and you're like, I don't think
straight man meant disappointed, I don't

disgusted it. I don't know when
that, when that became the standard of

the definition of the straight man.
Yeah, under your nose. Yeah,

I'm so excited because, you know, I only and this weirdly ties back,

which is not to be like I'm
so method but like I sort of

figure Sean does not know anything that
goes on in this world except for what

he encounters. So I don't actually
particularly read the rest of the script.

I only read the things where I'm
showing up or anything that would contextualize something

that I would need to know,
because I feel like why would I want

to maintain ignorance? And I find
if I know more, I might improvise

and I might accidentally say something right. Um. So it's interesting to me

because I watched the show. I've
always said people like you know, because

I talk about the show to friend
or something and they're like, Jesus,

you're like plugging your own show.
I'm like no, I'm like, I

would watch this show if I wasn't
on it. I would be dedicated Lee

watching the show like any other great
thing. I like like Jack Reacher,

Harvey. Um, I would watch, dedicate. That's that's true. Yes,

my dad. Well, yes,
my father really loves Jack Reach to

a disturbing obsessive degree. But that
uh, that I'm excited to see what's

happened gonna come of heart of of
Gearmo this season, because there are all

these things, some of them do
know, that are coming, that I

am like truly excited about because I
think also just some of them have to

do just with how representation of the
world and things like that I think are

really important and that this show has
always so tapped so hilariously and smartly woven

that thread for a show that's not
referential really right, like there's really little

reference, although they did do a
reference, right didn't they do one?

In like three or four of this
season? They referred to something that happened

in the last year and they like
justified in the vampire ward and I can't

remember what it is. Maybe I
should have written notes before I came on

to do oh well, in the
beginning of this season we had like things

that happened around the world that kind
of like may have been that's what it

was like we have been attached to
by accident, to Nandor's travels around the

world. It might have caused like
chaos or something. That's what it was,

something like that. We also had
like a season two, I think

it was, or was it three, where Colin Robinson Um Parks Cadillac sideways

or horizontal on the on the what
is it? The freeway? What's that?

The Brooklyn to Manhattan? Yes,
what do you call it? Yes,

the beak, the not the Brooklyn
in Manhattan. It's the not the

Brooklyn Bridge, the very is it
the Queensboro? Bo Queensborough. I think

it was a Queensboro locking all traffic. Just like, Oh, it would

be the Arizona, because it's the
Arizona because it's from Staten Island to Brooklyn.

But I know now what it is. It wasn't. It was it

was the tanker. It was your
shipping tanker getting caught in the Gulf.

Yeah, that's what it was.
Oh my God, when you came out

of the box, I just just
so it's probably like the lamest interview you've

ever done because I'm because I'm like, let me tell you, but when

you came out of the box,
and the first in the premiere, and

I was sitting there going he's gotta
be in that box, he's in that

Goddamn box. You know, I
kind of listen there going he's in that

box, and I was like Nah, I'm like, he's not in the

box, and he came out that. I don't know why, but it

really, really delighted me because it
was so absurd. You'd just be covered

in waste and Oreo cookies and it's
Uh yeah, twice. They did it

twice and when I read that script
I was just like are you kidding?

Like they're like when we say we
left off, we're picking up where we

left off. We weren't kidding.
So we when we gave those hints and

clues and we're like we're picking up
right where we're left off. And it's

like, but a year's gone by, a whole year's gone by, but

we're picking up right when we left
off, and people are like, okay,

whatever that means. It's like,
no, we're picking up where we

left off. We literally last saw
them He create, and we pick up

in a crate when we come back. That wasn't really fun. And,

weirdly, folks, that's how Harvey
does arrive to the show every year.

Yeah, so it's a little weird. It was just a little bit from

his life. That's how I travel
over to Canada from L A and put

me in a cre just come up
with me with like luggage and stuff,

and that's how usually travel. Uh. You know, that was also the

first scene we shot at the season. The actual opener of the season was

the first scene, which rare,
rarely happens. Usually in the past couple

of seasons we the first day on
sets like the third episode. You know,

I think last season the first day
on set was like, uh,

me in a cage or something,
and it was like that was like the

third episode or something. and Um, so there's always like, well,

this doesn't feel it doesn't feel like
that an order of the story. But

for the first time this year it
did feel like. I was like,

Oh, the first day on set
is the first day back, you know,

to school. Like that was kind
of cool. Um, this episode,

this week's episode we just saw,
is actually when we're trying to get

baby calling into a really a really
good school. Getting getting having kids is

already hard in general, but worried
about their education and like their academia and

and getting them to school. And
I mean Shawnee tries to help out in

the way that he can't. One
of my favorite lines is, uh,

what is it that? What that
thing? You know? I always thought

you guys were that. What's that
word I'm looking for? And we're like

poly, polyous, no, dirty
hippies. I remember that was on.

It was on the script or was
that you improvising that, because we did

a couple of times. Don't I
don't remember. I feel like it was

a hybrid because I feel like they
had something, but it might have been

in the script. I'd have to
look it up. Um, although it

does feel like that might have been
accessing the trump data bank in my head

of like, like, of like
what's an insult? That's sort of like

a like a like a working guy
insult that like he thinks it lands really

hard and it's like basically a parody, like saying someone's a dirty hippie.

Maybe, like in nineteen sixty eight
would have been like an interview that Joan

Crawford game in to good housekeep.
Oh my God, Oh my God,

what was that? Well, yeah, people may not know this, Anthony,

but I mean they might be living
under a rocket. They don't know

this, but you do a really, really good he who should not be

named, and I think you should
do just the impression of how do you

recommend getting my child into a school? What kind of school do they need

to go to? If I was
asking this person, how do you you?

Well, the first thing you have
to do is you have to have

two incredibly stupid children, and I
do. I've got Eric and Don Jr,

and you pay off, you pay
off the headmaster, you threaten him

and you go listen, if you're
not careful, I'll bury your wife on

my golf course. And who one? The whole number one's already taken.

Um. Yes, if you haven't
guessed, ladies and gentleman, Anthony does

a great, great Lizam and Ellie
and yes, that's the best. Uh

No, it's so good, is
it? Your mother was actually a teacher

herself, right at Emerson College,
College and teacher of the arts, that

you grew up with the arts like
at a at a young age. Like

how does that mold you? Know, this year with Colin we're seeing that

what's so, you know, what's
nurture versus nature or vice versa? And

would you say that, like being
around artistic people, being around the campus

and and and and these students who
thrive in the arts, did that mold

you in a different way? It
would have. You grew up, obviously

in a different environment. How so
it totally changed I mean it totally changed

my life. Two things changed my
life. One was the arts, both

my parents being in the arts,
and my stepfather is a biologist and scientists,

and that was also a good balancing
out of this person who was all

about reason and logic. But too
parents. My father is a drummer,

has been drumming since the lates,
you know, mid sixties or or late

fifties. I think he's toured with
a bunch of people and uh done all

that and he's also a visual artist. And my mom, uh is a

musical theater dancer and singer and was
a choreographer did avant garde work and she

taught Emerson. so that that that
exposure to one going to the college I

went to basically since I was six. So I like was around Emerson my

entire life. So going to college
there was like not a shock at all,

um. But yeah, being around
dance, particularly dancers who are Um,

you know, the language is their
body and the way that they move

and communicate. But also, let's
face it, I mean, you know,

I was sitting with college. This
is probably inappropriate now, but,

like, you know, I'd be
like ten years old hanging out as the

they were changing and talking and yelling
and swearing and you know, I grew

up pretty fast too, like in
the sense that was around a lot of

you know, my father would take
me to these art openings. His friend

David Kelly, who's a large mural
artist, now resides in Uh Texas,

and he does, you know,
thirty foot tall murals. Right. So

my life bounced between going to loft
art parties when I was like eight,

nine and ten and going to Emerson
and watching like uh, you know,

rope dances and like people like doing
like cutting edge choreography. This was sort

of like my my and I wanted
and I sort of went well, I

want to be funny, that's kind
of what I want to do. Um.

And the second one was moving to
Chelsea, Massachusetts, which is a

little not akin to Staten Island,
maybe a little bit more like the Bronx

meets Queens. But I think growing
and going and living in a sort of

economically depressed area in the eighties that
was very multicultural, uh and took plucked

me out of a sort of very
um suburban, uh rural existence with sort

of all the same people around me
when I was six. I think was

the best thing that happened to me
in my life. I can't, I

think about what would have happened if
I had just lived in sort of lily

white tops field until high school and
had, you know, my mom taught

and I didn't. I think I
would have been kind of a boring person.

And if you're someone listening to this
and you're like, Oh my God,

that's me don't worry about it.
You can change your life right now.

Just go pick the arts, pick
something and outside of your comfort zone

and explore it, because what is
worth life is not worth living without the

arts. In my view, I
don't even understand the point of it.

And that in housewives. I was
gonna say that's such a great way to

say that message across the world,
Anthony, to tell those young artists out

there and housewives and housewives, you've
got to celebrate. You got to celebrate

what we might be having. We
might we may or may not be having

a guest. Uh You know,
we also interview celebrities who are fans of

the show and who like what we
do. The shadows. So we may

or may not be, uh you
know, meeting some of one of your

favorite or some of your favorite housewives. Who Knows Lu Anne? Bring Lunn

on, she's a blast. LUANE
LA SEP is a wonderful human being.

I've been to a Christmas party at
our apartment. She's she's wonderful. There's

another name drop for you. Are
Full of Susanne, Summers, Luentellas,

Countess, Countess Luanne, although she's
retired that name, and I also want

to say that the thing that struck
me in this episode was initially I read

it and I had this thing where
I was like, Sean went to a

private school. That's bizarre like that. I like that that we were like

see what what comes out of a
private education could be anything, you know.

Well, yeah, well, the
other thing that I found funny was

I then went but I sort of
come from his economic circumstances and my grandparents

saved and scrimped to send me to
Glenn Orkhart School, which was a private

school. So it was interesting because
sort of was like, why am I,

why am I todging this? This
is exactly what happened to me.

And then I was like, you
know, I was like, oh no,

well, I think it worked out
pretty well for everyone and we're lucky

that we get to have you on
the show. Uh, we got picked

up for season five and six,
which is super exciting. It's so incredible.

I can't believe we've been doing this
for four season. I feel like

just yesterday we're like in Toronto and
the first couple of seasons and we're like

we'll see you know, and then
now we're now we're in the middle of

the season four airing and about to
start production on season five and we're really

excited. And this year we have
Naja's UM nightclub, which we've been asking

our guests if you were a drink
at Naja's and a human drink, not

a vampire drink, but a human
drink based on your character, what would

that drink be called and what would
it be made of? Oh, I

feel like for here's the thing.
I feel like if Sean was drinking Sean

would probably I forget what they call
it, but where they dropped the shot

into the beer, is it called
a boiler maker, I think, or

a yeager bomb, but I think
it's when it's woice whiskey, it might

be called a boiler maker. I
don't know, but that's what I think

he would have if he had his
druthers. But I personally think he would

order a Tom Collins because I think
that his grandparents probably drank that and thought

that was a classy drink and that's
his understanding of a classy drink. And

it's a male name, so it's
like I think for Shan it would be

like I want a Tom Collins because
it's like a man's name and it sounds

like a drink and I think he
thinks the oceans twelve people would drink another

even though there's a big cherry,
even though it's a big cherry in the

town Colin, even the obvious.
But that's the thing about Sean, that's

the thing about shot, is that
that that his eye, through slight improvisations,

have forced Sean to not be a
closed minded home a phobic biggot,

and that's been one of my great
achievements and what and what a treasure he

has to has for for being that. If only any everyone in the world

could learn San's ways, I think
we'd be better right. Well, Anthony,

I want to thank you so much
for coming on the show. We

love having you, uh, and
I'm so excited for this season and everyone

to see the rest of the season. So keep watching the show. Is

Anything you wanna tell the fans who
have become a total sean stand this season

and the past seasons? Anything you
want to tell the fans you just love

Shannie? Well, for all five
of you listening, I I want but

you know what, I'll say this. I I uh, I think that

you're gonna continue to be surprised by
the Shawn's Um emotional complexity and even though

it's slight, and thank you,
I mean I love the Fan Art,

so I'm always down for any fan
art. I don't care if it's not

suitable for work viewing, I don't
care, like you could do whatever you

want. I want to in on
that party, whatever it is, so

feel free to fan arn't me out. And also, if you really,

if you do love the Improv part
things, here's my plug. I do

a podcast called the phony and collige
show with my friend John Gambling, and

we improvise. I mean we do
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Reach Your too, but I bet
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time we have for today. Thank
you so much, anthony, for joining

us. But actually, yeah,
make sure you follow Anthony on all socials.

Where can they find you, Anthony? On twitter and on Oh yeah,

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We'll see you next time. We'll see

you. Okay, we welcome back. I'm really excited for our next guest.

It's the one, the only,
salve volcano. All right, welcome

to behind the shadows are dear good
friend, Sal Volcano. Hello, how

are you, buddy? Good,
how are you? I I was go,

go. I'm so excited when things
talking about go. Do you go

first? No, same. I
was like I was, I was putting

I have a t shirt on and
I was wondering if I was underdressed because

I've seen old episodes and I had
to tell you, your outfits on these

are amazing. I've loved everything.
I mean it's just like it looks like

you're going to an awards show sometimes
and I'm like, Oh my God,

I should have put on a button
down. I you know, this season

we're more laid back and Lucy Goosey. I mean I'm wearing a mess shirt,

but still, you know, it's
a caller. It's still dressed up,

but it's uh yeah, we still
have fun with you know, dress

up like the event or whatnot,
which is fun, and every season we

switched it up. But yeah,
that's the funny because someone else said the

same thing and I was like maybe
you shouldn't have to dress up, because

come as you are, you know, just like I like dressing up sometimes.

So and today I'm wearing Mesh so
just for you, summertime. But

I'm so excited to have you on
the show. First of all, we're

so excited that you're in this week's
episode. UH, as excited as I

am sure wait would tell us.
So, so, are you a fan

of what we're doing the shadows?
Oh, yeah, yeah, I mean

I just for me and went back
to I had seen the movie when it

came out, like I mean at
this point has to be like what eight

years ago or something like that.
And then when the show came out,

q was the one who told me, like you better get on this show

now, like I knew it was
coming out and I was like, Um,

I totally want to watch it,
and then Brian Quinn, I should

say, my buddy who was on
the show that I do, he was

like you have to like the best
thing ever, and then I went over

his place and he rewatched with me
and we just binge the whole thing I've

been hooked ever since. You guys
are the funniest thing out there. Really.

I love the show because you're all
so so funny but also so likable

and lovable. Um, I don't
know, I just the show is that

your show is the show that makes
me laugh out loud the most. Oh

Wow, that's that's that's a big
comment coming from I mean you guys the

show. I have to say my
mom, my whole family is such a

fan of the show that it was
so funny to tell them like it gets

to me in the show and my
mom was like, you know, Spanish

speaking, she's Oh, she's like
so excited. Uh. So, the

idea that, like you know,
Brian got you hooked on the show,

which both of you I've been look
enough to meet and and are so lovely

and so wonderful and so talented and
fund of Yourself. Like, I mean,

who is the bigger fan that Brian
got you onto the show? What

do you say? You surpassed him
as a fan, or is still the

number one fan, because he was
on the show last time, last season,

he was on our after show.
Yes, he don't. Yeah,

I knew that. I think that
I probably took the lead now because I've

appeared on the show. So just
saying I am now in the universe of

the show. I was thinking about
this today, but I this is not

giving anything away because it aired two
days ago. Right, yeah, yeah,

but Um, I got my nap, my neck snapped by last love,

you know, and like I was
and I didn't know I was definitely

gonna do that. Went into it. For sure. It's like an honor

to get murdered. But then I'm
like, Oh my God, like I

want to be able to come back
if they ever need me. But I

guess maybe, like the writers can
get creative and like someone snaps their fingers

and I can come back. Right, no one dies, no one truly

ever dies. That's what I was
saying, like it's always like no one

ever really dies. I mean,
yeah, you know, it's just it's

just a mamount of time. And
we have witches, we have warlocks,

we have fairies this season we have
gnomes, we have necromancers. Anything is

possible in this world, which is
cool, because anything you needed a spell

or need is like an old legend
that comes to life and your spell book,

you know, whatever, it's possible. So the idea that you came

and played with us. It's such
a cool episode. We're trying to get

baby Colin into a really good school, which I don't have kids, but

I can't even imagine just raising children
period of trying to get them through academia

and like trying to get them to
the Nice School, and baby collins growing

an alarming rate and we have to
go through this private school and and in

the episode, Um laslow brings you
over and introduces it. This is my

friend from and he what does he
call your show? It was so funny.

He said something different every time that. But I think it's like impossible,

the impossible prankster and impossible gess.
Oh my God, I had the

whole time I was I was like, please, don't be the one to

laugh because, like they, you
know, I only have a few lines

and stuff and I so wanted to
improvise with everybody. I got lucky enough

to be. Well, you know, obviously Um Colin Robinson wasn't there in

the scene, but I lucked out
in the fact that I got to be

in a scene with all of you, which was so rasane. I know.

I guess in the episode they're trying
to get him into a prestigious charter

school, what have you. And
so they have Um, I guess,

the Dean or whatever from the school. They want to impress them by knowing

some Staten Island celebrity. So I
played myself as the last minute pull for

us that island, which is pretty
accurate. I Guess Colin Joson and Pete

Davidson weren't available, or anyone,
anyone in the wood. False to me,

which is people. People mean,
I know this, but you were

born in Staten Island. You are
from Staten Island. Yeah, now,

right now, because we talk.
Another cool thing about the show is just

like I love that it takes place
in Stan Island, but it's not even

like, you know, for the
most part, lean into any like stand

island tropes too much. It's like
a toy thing. But yeah, unless

except your neighbors at the guys,
that couple went to Anthony, yeah,

which we just had. So,
uh, it's great that you guys are

both in this episode because it's so
it's rare that you get us all together

in the same room. And I
just remember you when you walked on set.

You had the smile on your face
of just like like literally. I

mean tell me walk me through the
experience. Why don't you? The beginning

of like finding out that you got
the part and and and being asked and

all that. How how did that
feel? How did that come to be?

So whomever reached out, someone there
even even like just I was just

so lucky that they asked me versus
even any of the other guys right and

they were like, Oh, what
we do in the shodows want you to

do like a small walk on role, and I was like immediately, like

are you kidding me, like it
was like a bucket list thing, you

know, because and so I'm like
absolutely. And then I'm like nerves,

because I love the show so much
and I respect like you guys are so

good it, at what you do
and everything. So I'm coming into your

world. So there's nerves. But
the best part was like when I arrived,

like you know, it's just like
anything else, like you, you

you put into the universe on the
stage, like on the set. And

actually it was so like cool because
the house is built, like it's fully,

like it's not like it's once like
almost like you would think of Sitcom,

where it's like one thing is here
and the next set is to the

right and it's just all on one
level, like you know, you guys

down the hallways like it actually was
the house built out like on the sound

stage, and it was like so
it was so immersive, m H.

and it's just walking and I'm like, oh, that's where this happened,

that's what, that's what, and
it is so detailed that it is.

It's it's unbelievable being there in in
person. If you just close your eyes

and open them inside that place,
you would think you were there. Yeah,

it's so cool. The I mean
our set designers, Um, you

know, I've gone of them and
beyond for the last like four seasons and

it's just like you know, from
bunch to everyone who's worked on it.

It's just like when you walk around
the set. I've there for all these

years and I still find things on
the set that are brandy to me,

like I still find things like what
is this and like pull it out of

the shelf or or something, some
little detail that you would have passed by

a million times and then you just
stopped for a second because for some reason

I've seen has you in that corner
holding still for a second and you look

like, is that a woodcarving of
a GNOME spinning like what? Like it's

like you know, just like you
look at me like what is this?

And it's like the craziest set,
the most immersive set. It's so creative

and wonderful, and you were so
nice enough to like you, like you

just said. I think you saw
it on my face and I'm sure you

have things to do all day long
and you guys are they're filming in another

room and they like keep it down, and this is that, and I

know you have stuff to do,
but Youre so generous with your time and

you took me to my through the
whole thing, like my own personal tour,

and like you, I mean you
really, like, really like we're

generous with your time. I really
appreciate that. I mean it's like I

always feel like maybe it's the hospitality
of being Mexican. How tell you to

me that it's like when you come
to someone's home, you welcome them,

you, you know, give them
tour. You asked them if they want

anything, and you hungry, do
anything to eat, which we have,

like you know, obviously we have
a crew and p a s to do

that. But usually, like when
you get there. It's like that's what

I do, even if you have
stuff to do, I feel like I

take it upon myself just because I
know what it's like to be on set

and be the first you know,
uh, coming into a train already in

motion, or coming into a new
school and being the new kid at school,

and the last thing you need is
everyone having there already clicks and already

like, you know, making the
lunch table seem like it's not inclusive.

And so what I tried to do
in our set is everyone's included, and

everyone's included. So the second you
walk into set, we welcome you,

you know, or at least I
welcome you, and like I'm just like,

you know, to the part where
it's annoying. It's like if it's

a cold day, it's like do
you want hot chocolate? You like,

it was great. You actually,
you know, it made me so much

more comfortable because then, like moments
later that like I'm in the scene with

everyone and it was just so cool
to be amongst them all. Like again,

huge trend. It was great to
on like breaks, when we're like

had a few minute break, we
go into like another room, like a

regular room, like like a not
in the hall, like a just like

a room with a couch and like
and like a coffee machine, and there

everyone's in costume and I'm just not
because I'm playing myself and we're just like

shooting this ship about real stuff,
but they're all dresses, stampas. It's

it's so surreal. It's so funny
because I always think of those conversations when

we're in the green room, right
where in the green like the waiting room,

and like there's coffee and it was
sitting around like a regular couch and

it's hot, but they're in costume. You know. I mean like at

the end Wal you get a little
bit of away with it because he's kind

of dressed like Oh, you can
bump into this guy in the street,

you know, in New York or
stat nten or something in these coasts,

but in this world you would never
bump into someone with the long gorgeous cap

or a petticoat dress or and so
it's funny to be talking about like,

you know, their latest episode of, you know, watching love island or

something like like Oh, you know
what, and it's just like they're talking

just like, you know, shooting
the ship and there's. It always blows

my minds here. The conversation is
while they're in those offers and they go

okay, back and they go back
into character and they're like these you know,

bigger than life. It's just it's
fun. It's fun and I'm glad

that you know. How is it? The whole experience, like when you

got the part? Did you call
did you call Brian or did you call

anyone else and tell them? Hey, I told everybody, as soon as

everyone, everyone I know that loves
the show. I was like, I

guess what, I did that whole
thing with everyone. I kept having the

experience over and over and over.
I'm like, I'm going and I was

actually in Um, I forgot this
was. This was when do we film

this? Like last winter? Yeah, I'm not sure. I think I

was also filming and because you have
like what like a window opportunity, like

two days or whatever, and I
made sure. I was like you,

guys, I have to. I'm
doing this. I'm not saying no,

so figure it out, like on
my own my own show, like figure

it out, because I'm doing I
love that. You left your show,

a highly successful show. That's that's
doing wonderful and has movies and whatnot,

and then you're like, figure it
out, I'm gonna go do the show.

Have to go do this show.
You figure it out and it's like,

you know, but what a what
a what a luxury to be able

to do that, you know,
and just like, just like, I

would say, Um, well,
if you were to make the characters some

shadows and it could be a practical
jokers which, by the way, my

mom loves. Who Do you think
the characters and shadows? How would they

how would they do? Who would
be like the biggest prankster? UH,

out of those guys, I mean
I would assume laslow. Yeah, I

came. I think Nandor is is
is not too hip, you know.

Yeah, and I don't know what
that again. Maybe to Colin would be

horrible. He would he ruined the
ruined. It's a comedy. Colin Robinson,

like he'd just be like there would
be like people on the street just

like looking at him, like who. Well, if they weren't in character,

though, who of the actors do
you think would be really great at

it? I think cavon would be
so great too. Yeah, character voices

and stuff. Yeah, I I
mean I would oh my God, you're

talking about dreams now. Actually,
this is kind of apropos and I'm I'm

hoping that, I mean, this
is on our end. This is a

done deal, and I relayed that
everything to you, know, to my

crew, but we're hoping to have
you on our show. Oh, okay,

yes, absolutely, going with that. Okay, well, we could

actually make it, you know,
a reality. I spoke to you a

few weeks ago and I hope you
come on the fall and I think that

if the window is good, then
you're gonna you're gonna come on. I

hope we're all home and I'm I'm
if the windows are allowed and the windows

open, then I'll fly like Peter
Pan through it. So that would be

great. I mean, yeah,
well, speaking your favorite characters, because

obviously you know there's so many on
the show, who from the show itself,

like from all the characters and what
we do in the shadows your what's

your favorite character? Whoever, like
whatever, I mean this God that you

have such a huge rotating cast of
of like recurring characters and go between Nick

Roll and Christine Shawl. She's at
the Guide and I was just I was

just trying to catch up on this
season and I started episode three where the

nightclub finally opens, and I'm waiting
to see if I see if, if,

if Richie sucks shows up or not, but because it made me laugh

so hard, like Richie suck,
it was the funniest thing, and so,

like, I didn't get ahead enough
to really to see if, like

who's playing it? But I'm like
it's so excited for that character. Or

does it gonna know it is gonna
Happen and it's gonna be Great. And

also that's the episode with Fred Armison
Guest Stars, Yi, familiar. Yeah,

yeah, so that's a great one. I love Naja nightclub. It's

so cool. This year her opening
the nightclub is a great idea because everything

changes, even the even the Guide's
style changes, like her outfit or hair

and her everything, and and Naja's
wardrop changes as well to accommodate. But

the club itself is really, really
cool. Um and everything. Yeah,

well, yeah, well, it
used to be the the inside of the

Chamber of curiosities in the library.
So it's a giant, beautiful, beautiful.

It took six months to build.
It was like crazy, Um,

and so it's stunning and now it's
turned into a nightclub for this season,

which is so perfect, because what
do you do with such beautiful space?

We can't demolish that and, like
you know, it's like for last season.

That's like we should utilize it.
Um, it's it's stunnying. It's

like one of my favorite sets I've
ever been on. But this season we

have the nightclub and we've been asking
our guests if you, uh, he'sa

or a drink, what would you
drink be called and what would it be

made out of at the nightclub?
And does that brand partice me for humans,

human human consumption alcohol? Well,
I was, I mean, if

I was there, I feel like
I'd have to do something like a bloody

Mary, right, yeah, I
mean that that makes the most sense,

right. I would just, I
would, I would a bloody Mary and

then I'd probably put like, just
to reference my own my own heritage,

I'll probably put some garlic in there
from my Italian side and maybe like a

plantain from my from my Hispanic side, as a Garnish, just a huge

plantaine on the side of a cup
and over balancing everything. You don't know

if it's gonna Teeter to one side. It's a giant plantain, just a

huge plantaine, just like don't even
explain it. What would the name of

it be? Has To have a
name, like if I went to Brunch

on Nagas. What would I ask
for? Yeah, really right? Um

M Hmmm, I don't know.
I'd find him that to myself or not,

like something for her. Maybe maybe
the Gregor, because, uh,

that's her, that's the person that
she's been in love with roll those years.

Right, isn't Jeff Jeff JF right, isn't it? Isn't it?

Yeah, so, I mean I
know she, like you know, that's

who she wants to get our teethon. So probably it's closed to be spelled

out like in, like right in
the plantain. Is that that's good?

Spelled that right there. I love
that. I'm so excited for everyone to

just see this season and hopefully we
can make that work out this fall,

because we do know it. Yeah, it's so it's so exciting. We've

got season five and six. Congratulations
five and six s the way. So

you have to kind of just walk
by the writer's room at some point and

just be like now, wouldn't it
be fun to bring him back from the

dead and just like just lofted out
there and see what happens for me,

you know, and then keep telling
me, like Harvey, you do this

every time, like keep walking,
like keep wants so weird. I was

just walking to you, guys.
What do you guys Doud in here anyways?

You know, how are you just
talking to sell I was just talking

to Salla other day. We're saying, like shooting the ship, and then

I was like, wouldn't it make
sense for him to like, you know,

like doesn't it make sense? Guys, doesn't make get your hands off

of me. No, but we
really, we really. I mean everything

is possible in this world. We
love having you on the show. You

were so wonderful and I'll never forget
your face and that it was a kid

in a candy store. Um,
it's quick, really, it's quick.

I don't we have like four handful
of lines. But yeah, but you

know, we have a Rollo dex
of like of celebrity friends and guests who

want to be on the show.
You know, we want to be on

the show and we just can't make
it work because it wouldn't make sense that

we put everybody wants to do in
the show. It would be like it

doesn't make sense what for sure,
it's just so the fact that it worked

out. It's just like it is, like you said, like it's just

like that nice sight will you Wanka
ticket where it's just like come on board,

and I felt like it was I
was taking you down the down the

chocolate river. Yeah, that's what
I felt like. I felt like you

were taking me through like something like
a Wanka factory. You know. It's

like we even went upstairs and everything
was so cool and we rarely shoot upstairs

because it's just for decor and for
visual but I don't give you a half

ass tour tour, and I get
it. When you sign up for a

Harvey tour, you get a full
tour. Alright, I looked out in

so many ways. Right you gave
me the tour. I was in the

scene with all of you guys.
I got killed, which is so cool.

You know, my neck is snap. But then there was just like

scene right aft, and I'm not
sure if it made the edit, but

like where I forget who was snapping. It might have been Nandor and uh,

and like everything was getting kind of
messed up, and I think it

was. It was hypnotizing. So
we were just every time we messed up,

I think it was I think it
might have been Laslo or cave on

one of them snap and then it
would be like like nothing happened and would

be doing a different scene. And
then laslow, Nandor would be lovers and

their partners raising a child and gay
couple, and then they would mess that

up and they would snap again and
it would be like Naja and laslar a

couple who adopted a child and or
whatever it was. You know, it

was like that whole like, you
know, Oh my God, Danny,

mix up. Kind of fun.
And then one of those snaps, I'm

there alone with my corps still on
the couch where I was killed, and

and and I guess Um not.
I think Naja is at to get turned

into a skunk. She was sitting
next to me and so I actually got

to there was a live, real
skunk that they put right on top of

me while I played dead, which
was also absolutely terrifying, like a trooper.

And you were like a go like
I remember when they asked you this

would be like yeah, yeah,
you seem like you had done it before,

but it's so funny to hear that
that you just went along, you're

like yeah, yeah, it's fine, I wouldn't do anything. There's nothing.

I would say. I'm scared of
cats. To put in respective skunk,

it was like a little bit like
less domesticated there. It's always so

funny because it's like a handler,
but I'm like, it's a skunk and

the skunk wants to do what the
skunk wants to do. Isn't this skunk

going to do what the skunk wants
to do? Yeah, YOU'RE NOT gonna

do handlers here about like I don't
do that, don't do that. And

we literally have animals on the show
all the time and I think it's so

funny that they always uh. The
wranglers are always like yeah, yeah,

no, they'll do it, and
it's like he can't really make an animal

do. They're gonna do what they
want to do, you know. I

mean it was one year we had
a goat that's supposed to run down the

hallway and during rehearsal I did it
perfectly over and over and as soon as

the camera was rolling, that go
would not leave down the hallway. Who

just look down? It just looks
straight down. Yeah, and they just

go and they just leave into the
other room and would not go down the

hallway and then the trainer was just
like with the Clicker, come on,

come on, and then it was
just like kind of teasea walking towards the

clicker and then it just go way. Can't make them do anything they don't

want to do. But they take
really good care of the animals on the

show. So I'm just like,
I feel like the animals get treated better

than anyone else because it's an animal
and you Gott you can't. You gotta

show you know. It's like no, put them in Nice, you know,

trailer and all that. Yeah,
but it's so you were such a

trooper. I mean I couldn't believe
you would you would have told me you

couldn't stand animal or a cat or
a scunt. What's scary, I wouldn't

believe you because you were so down
and you were such a trooper. And

now, looking back, now I
was like, wow, can't we leave?

You did that, but it's just
I was just playing dead at the

time, so I would just like
just not moving. So I was like

that helped because I was like I
won't move a muscle, pretend it's not

happening out of the whole set.
I mean you saw the tour. Is

there something that you were like,
Oh man, I wish I could just

take that, or I wish if
I could take one, if you could

pick one piece from the set it's
so that you could take with you.

What would it be? Yeah,
the room we filled in filmed and was

really, really cool. I remember
they had all the candles that day,

like tons of them. Um,
but when you took me into something like

the library room, I was like, like that was tempting because it's it's

so densely it's so densely filled with
objects and you know, you get that

little thing that goes to your head
like will anyone ever know? Will anyone?

But then you think about it's like
how mortifying it it would have been

to decide to do that and get
called right at the end. We have

we have security guard goes to your
back and what's this and just like,

you know, volume one of Moby
Dick or something, because some of those

props are really, really old,
like there's books in there that are from

like the eight hundreds. Like this's
like and that's why I'm like, I

rarely want to touch anything, but
if I do, like I always tell

this story. I think it's like
several supper times. But my favorite thing

I ever found was an antique map
from Disneyland and the shelves of like a

bookshelf from nine one, like it
was like a map on set and I

was decided what and I was like, this is so great, this is

a story. At some point these
vampires went to Disneyland and they have the

man and it's here or something happened. But I love a little details.

I tell my backstories and that all
the time. But I mean, yeah,

you're right, they would probably paint
a painting or something. Yeah,

the paintings are cool. I like
I like Nandor's paintings. Like they it's

last episode we saw all of Nandor's
wives and husbands and if you look closely,

because I was having made to cater
to the episode, one of the

original piece of him with all the
husbands and yeah, that's made from an

actual artist who was commissioned to do
it. And then, if you look

closely, one of the wives is
Yana, our director, Yanakaya. Her

face isn't one of the wives,
and we always do a little like Easter

eggs like that, just like in
the in the in the curiosity chamber,

when you look at the big mural
of the truth, the original three,

which is Tayka Jermaine, that the
vampires from within the show of the movie.

If you look that one underneath it
in the in the in the what

do you call it? The banister
or the fireplace, there's a little portrait

and it's Cape Kpe Bunch and she's
the one who designed the set. Oh

Yeah, I saw her episode actually, I think. Yeah, yeah,

yeah, yeah, so so cool. So there's little e strings all over

the set that maybe you'll never even
hear of, but we know that they're

there. But I'm so glad you
can't play with us because it made an

episode so much better and uh,
and everyone can actually watch it now on

Hulu streaming and uh, we can't
wait to hopefully have you back from the

dead. That would be just the
best buddy. But I'm thankful for the

experience I have and everyone can watch
your show. We're gonna be watch your

show. Yeah, absolutely, the
shows on Thursday night at ten o'clock on

true, we're just finishing up season
nine now, but I think you watch

the episodes on like HBO, Max
and then we're filming season ten now,

which I hope to return the favorite
to you and you're a part of it.

Yeah, here's, here's how in
the fall I'll be there. All

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