Hi, this is we sawn about. Yeah, the host of the shaping

freedom podcast. I'm thinking a little
while ago about this podcast and my intention

for it, and the intention is, quite frankly, to share the stories

of everyday people who are doing extraordinary
things, and those extraordinary things are sometimes

not about the huge accomplishments that people
make or have. It's more about how

people are being in the myth of
some of the challenges that we encounter in

life, even while doing all of
the beautiful, extraordinary things that human beings

have the capacity and ability to do. My guest today is just one of

those women. She is a an
incredible lady who is an entrepreneur at of

Illinois. She is a former military
person who went ahead and got a degree

in business and years later, made
the decision to create a community for creative

people. Very similar act lead to, you know, the Hara hub concepts

and focus specifically on creatives, and
this business is called a cotton seed creative

exchange. Please check it out.
She is, or this business is,

out of Illinois in Aurora, and
that is a fantastic thing that this woman

is up to. What she's also
up to in her life is finding ways

to show up more powerfully, more
authentically and with the generosity of spirit to

share her triumphs and what she's done
and is doing while navigating this journey of

life that we're all on. Her
name is Van Michelle Thompson and I'm really

excited to share my conversation with her. Take a listen. So I'm really

excited to speak with this week's guest. My guest this week is Evan Michelle

HIV on. Hi Listening. Thank
you for having me. You're welcome.

You're welcome. And so this is
kind of a funny interview in some ways,

or at least the road to this
interview is, is pretty funny,

because has Ivan, you and I
met each other through social media. We

met it that each other through instagram. And one of the things that and

I think it was actually during the
pandemic, during like the the doc days.

It was. It really was,
yeah, during two thousand and twenty,

and so, you know, I
was on Instagram, you know,

telling Miley sound story, and van
was on instagram telling her Ivan Story,

and we really just started communicating with
each other through that, through that,

and then at that time and then
at some point I started to really follow

your story and your incredible energy and
how deep and positive you show up on,

you know, this thing that we
call social media, and you know,

I know that one of the things
that I can always count on is

a really solid word filled with wisdom, you know, when we encounter each

other on social media. And so
I think it was a few weeks ago

maybe that I was like, you
know, a girl, come on my

show. I appreciate it absolutely.
Yeah, I agree with social media.

It's just, you know, we
all have this responsibility to like, you

know, put something positive out there
whenever we can and benefit the next person

who might see it. So I
definitely have my days where they're not as

positive, but I always try to
pull some positivity out of there, you

know, encourage everyone. Were on
this journey together. So absolutely, and

life isn't always about you know that. You know, I think we all

want to be smiling all the time, but life doesn't always serve that up

and I think it's it's what I
really respect and appreciate about what I've witnessed

through your you know, the last
couple of years that we've been following each

other. Is that again? Like
it's not the gooey sweet hey everything's great.

It's you know, what can I
where's that little ray of sunshine that

I can find in a moment where
things are shitty? You know? Yes,

yeah, for sure, that's really
what I saw. What I see.

Well, thank you. I definitely
appreciate that, because I feel that

in the morning I have two choices
to make. It's, you know,

if I'm not having a great day, if things are not going well,

I can choose to harp on that
or I can choose to harp on the

opposite, which I think if you
harp on the opposite of the negative feelings,

your day of go a lot smooth. There, you know, things

will just start falling back into place. You know good things will start happening,

because I feel like when you focus
on the negativity throughout the day just

continues. It just continues, and
it's proven that to me many instances.

I'll give you an example, like
yesterday, just woke up, felt completely

overwhelmed with everything and just didn't shake
it. Just just continued on that path.

Go to the bank, deposit some
money. It didn't accept the money

because it was too much, so
that all the money just started flying back

out of the slot. So and
it was just, you know, one

thing I just I just said,
okay, I'm doing this to myself,

you know, like yeah, it's
just that one thing, and I just

think sometimes at one thing. Maybe
it's not like magic or anything like that,

but it's just when we're in that
negative mind frame, we're not really

paying attention two things the way we
should, like, the way, you

know, we may do something the
wrong way simply because our mind is just

not not not they're not feeling happy, not feeling, you know, the

way it should, you know.
So that's that's kind of like, you

know, I'm a advocate for saying
that. You know, it doesn't matter

how old we are, we are
always learning, always growing and and you

know, every single day, like
I think about myself two years ago and

you know, the where I am
today, mental fully, completely different person.

And you know, and I think
it's a choice. It's a choice

that we make. So, you
know, we're you know, life is

going to happen. As long as
we continue to breathe, you know,

things are going to continue. We
just have these choices to make to grow

or to stay where we are.
So I just I choose. I choose

to grow. So, yeah,
I choose growth every day, and sometimes

the growth is like wonderful and my
arms are open and I'm like yeah,

I love it, and other days
I'm like Shit, I know I have

to grow through this one, but
it hurts, you know, or it's

hard or I don't know how to
get to the other side of it.

I want to go back to you
talking about how you get up in the

morning, because I find too,
that whatever those thoughts are first thing in

the morning, you have to I
have for me. I have to tend

to that thought, and so if
it's a positive thought, that's something that

I know needs to be nurtured,
and if it's a thought about something that

I have to deal with that maybe
feels uncomfortable, I also know that that's

something that I have to deal with
and take care of, and so I

really love the fact that you,
you know, think about that in your

morning, because that really, like
how we get up, is what sets

the tone for the rest of the
day, and it just has no law

and snowball, as you know,
absolutely absolutely. And it's also creating somewhat

of a force field around yourself,
because we encounter so many things that are

outside of our control, and also
so many different energies that may not be

on the same frequency that we are
on, and it's like, you know,

you have to just make a decision
because, you know, being a

human also means being very delicate.
You know, one thing that I say

is humans are very delicate, and
that's that's kind of like, you know,

part of my mission that I focus
on is just not really looking at

how people act or or what they
do as to more of maybe that person

just have has a different experience and
than I have or they've had a different

life, so that's why they act
the way they do, you know,

giving people a lot more grace.
So what I find is that, you

know, I listened to a motivational
speaker not too long that said, what

you listen to in the first twenty
minutes of the day, since the tone

or whatever you whatever you see or
whatever you watch, literally sets the tone.

And I've tested this myself. If
I choose to get up in the

morning and listen to a motivational speech
or td Jake's or or meditate or,

you know, try to write down
things that I'm grateful for, I find

that throughout the day, I mean
I just find more things to be grateful

for. I find more, more
joy, you know, despite maybe something

happening, but I've already set myself
up for the day to not to receive

to receive joy. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, and it's just like we

those we do have control over some
aspects of that. It's just what we

allow, the energies we allow around
us, the things that we want.

You know, social media can be
good, but it can also be bad.

You know, we choose that right
be until the end of the day.

People talk about like social media like
it's this horrible thing, and it's

horrible when you've allowed horrible to be
around you. You know, I always

say that. You know, if
you would not allow someone who is just

always ranting and raving about the negative
into your living room, why would you

allow it into why would you allow
that energy into your home or walking around

in your hand all day or sitting
in your bed while you're checking social media?

You know, we think you have
a responsibility to create the world that

we want to live in, and
that includes what we allow into our energy

field through things like social media.
Absolutely, absolutely, like you said,

you know, you wouldn't let certain
types of people into your living room or

into your physical space. Yeah,
we should always take a look at the

hey, social media, you know, our personal pages are our space happen,

and we can, you know,
we can curate it the way we

want. You know, we can
have, you know, we can have

people on there that inspire us or
people that don't inspire us, or people

that perpetuate things that, you know, we don't agree with, or we

can have the opposite. So it's
it's a you know, like you said,

you know, we do have control
over a lot of these aspects.

So it's important that we realize that
we do have a lot of power,

and that's what I'm growing into.
Is My power. Is that I realize,

you know, I'm not a victim. I'm not a victim to my

childhood, I'm not a victim to
my trauma's, I'm not a victim to,

you know, someone cutting me off
in traffic. My personal self,

my space, my spirit is,
is my sanctuary. So I don't,

you know, I don't allow things
like that to really affect me as much

anymore. Yeah, I love that
you're saying that he bomb, because that

even that statement that I'm not a
victim. There's a way of placing the

power of that outside of yourself and
saying, well, I'm a victim because,

boom, boom, boom, these
things happened to me and therefore I'm

labeling myself victim. Or you can
say I'm a human being, a delicate

human being, who is showing up
every day and trying to make those first

twenty minutes of my bag a count, and I encounter things sometimes that are

not expected or that are negative or
challenging for me to get through. But

you're going to call yourself something different
than if it absolutely you know, because

also really you create that like you're
speaking to your soul. Oh Yeah,

you you know, when you get
up or when you will talk about social

media, like when you get on
social media and you surround yourself energetically with

negative thoughts and negative people and negative
posts, you are speaking that into your

soul. You're telling your soul that
that's the world that you want to live

in. Just like when you walk
around feeling or placing yourself in this position

of being a victim, you're stating
that, you're stating your victimhood, you

know, and how much more powerful
is it to state that you're a delicate

human going through life doing this?
Say you know, absolutely, absolutely,

I definitely agree with that. And
also just you know, in the past,

I would say like six months,
I've just I used to have the

victim mentality. I'm you know,
I'm like completely transparent with with my experiences

that I used to have the victim
mentality. Like you know, I had

a rough childhood. You know,
I lost both my parents. You know

this, and that happened to me
and I just felt that it gave me,

it took my power away. Yeah, took it away, because I

felt that it validated why I should
continue on this journey being a miserable person.

Yeah, and I just one day
thought, like you know, I

can't, I have to, I
have to, I have to create the

light that I want, you know, and it that just means peace,

is that means being able to offer
other people grace and their experience to be

able to better understand humans and our
delicate nature. You know, I just

I just one day I just decided
I don't want to be a victim anymore.

I just want to be part of
the solution. I love that chance

to you for that. I want
to hear. So a couple things I

wanted to ask you. What is
let's talk a little bit about concede creative

with that. Okay, yes,
absolutely, Yes, a lot. What

is that about? I know it
it's about, but please tell the audience

what that's about, because such like
a magnificently beautiful thing and can I love

to hear more about that. Thank
you so about for going on. Five

years ago I had a traumatic incident
happened where a doctor didn't deliver my daughter

on time and she developed because of
her hypoxic injuries, she developed cerebral pause.

So I wasn't able to go back
to my corporate job at hand a

moder America. So this was the
start of me taking back my power.

So I decided that no, I'm
not going to lay down and die,

you know, I'm going to deal
with this situation. I'm going to be

the best mother I can to her
and also still find something for me to

do that brings me happiness and enjoy
so that's how that came about. I

got the opportunity to rent the space
and honestly, it was nothing that was

like, you know, someone has
a dream to have a coffee shop and

they've planned it out for five years
and they finally executed it. Wasn't a

situation like that at all. It
just the you know, I kind of

brought up the idea and the person
that I brought the idea up to own

buildings and said, well, I
have this space. It was. It

was pretty much a rundown spot,
like it was corkboard in the window.

It was just completely like it had
been, you know, for closed down

for quite a while. Uh Huh. So, you know, as I

do with a lot of things,
I saw the potential in it and I

said to myself, I'm not ready, but will I ever be? And

I said the worst that can happen
out of it is I learn, I

grow, you know, and it's
been a total growth experience. I've never

ran a business before, you know, I've never had to deal with people

on that type of level, not
just a you know, coworker job kind

of situation, and so the cotton
z creative was borne out of my love

for creativity, for art, for
others to be able to express themselves and

also have an, you know,
a little small area where they can test

that, you know, put their
big toe on the water and test it

out and test their ideas out,
test their products out and, you know,

things that they've made at home and, you know, some of their

dreams. And so far it's been
it's been a really great experience. Five

months after we open covid we had
the riots and then we had covid so

we've been kind of writing the storm
out with it, you know, just

still holding on and holding on to
the fact that we enjoy what we do

and we joy we enjoy offering what
we do to the community. So throughout

this experience, like it's been a
huge part of my healing is having the

space. So we have vendors that, you know, make all kinds of

things, from skin cares to candles
to jewelry, to school teachers at write

books, just a lot of creative
people from all different kinds of backgrounds and

we just all come together to basically
showcase what we do to the world and

also we expand a little bit on
it by, you know, offering things

for the community. You know,
it's become so much more than a shop

for me and that's part of the
reason why I've held on to it because,

you know, I have people that
walk in just to talk. Yeah,

just to talk, just to have
someone to talk to, to sit

there and say I'm having bad day, I'm having a good day, you

know, just for God to give
me the opportunity to help other people heal.

It's been great that. I love
that sense of community. I love

that you understand that creatives need community, you know. And yes, it's

about having a space to do the
thing that you do or and or a

space to showcase what you've done,
and it's also having people who are like

minded have the opportunity to to to
connect with each other. You know,

that's so especially through some of the
things that we have at that happen to

us in life. You know,
her hub, her hub, is very

similar to that, and that's one
of the things that I always find so

exciting about what you're doing is that
Hara have is similar and it's more about

entrepreneurs, you know, creative and
otherwise. But ultimately it really people crave

community. Oh yeah, he'll crave
support for their dreams and I think that,

as much as the world talks about
being unique and individual and all of

that, once you get into the
world of living your dreams, whether they're

creative or not, you run into
some resistance and it's really helpful to have

a tribe around you. That understand
that and that can have your back when

it's not necessarily about the soap or
the lotion or the piece of artwork or

the the next client, but it's
more about just the fatigue or the frustration

or the fear, you know,
or just meeting some encouragement. So I

love it. That's what you're up
to, absolutely just coexisting together with,

you know, the mind frame of
we're all humans on this journey and we're

all just trying to be happy and
find things that we love to do and

also get that support from other people. So that's been a great experience.

I looked on your website and I
saw this this quote that I don't know

if it's your quote or where it
came from, but it resonated with me

and I'm actually going to stick it
on post it and it is created.

Creativity is just intelligence having fount.
Is that your quote or where that I

actually think that was. I don't
want to say and I think it might

be Albert Einstein. Okay, I
think guys, I loved that quote.

I don't I don't think I've never
heard it before. I don't think,

not that I remember, and but
I went on to your website just kind

of check out those going on.
I saw that. It really resonated with

me because it's the truth. It
is you know, it is. Yeah,

I think we're all. I I've
always had this mindframe of thinking that

everyone, like God, made no
mistakes, everyone has some form of intelligence,

and I think with creatives they're just
able to tap in a certain part

of their brain or just a certain
spiritual part of themselves that maybe others cannot,

and it is a really high form
of intelligence and as the way it's

expressed. You just look around and
the artwork and in the creations and the

innovation and its all, you know, creative creativity surrounds all of you know,

these things, these ideas and these
beautiful things that we see come about,

and I think that's something that a
lot of people don't think about,

is like, you know, we
see this beautiful structure or we see this

beautiful piece of art, but we
don't think about like, yeah, you

know, some people say, Oh, that's beautiful, but they don't really

think like that is just where that
comes from within that person. Yeah,

that kind and how much that means
to them, you know, and that's

and that's why, with the artist
that I work with in a shop.

Like they all have, you know, different types of art, you know,

they they have different styles and everything, but I just really see their

passions and and how much they say
it brings some peace and how they have

to paint, they have to do
these things because it's just part of who

they are. Yeah, and I
think it's like you have to dig deep,

you know. It's there's like an
expansion of who you are that is

reflected in the art that you create, in the art that you do.

It it's a reflection of the ability
to dig deep and absolute and we all

have that ability in different ways.
We all have different gifts and talents and

all of that. And whoever the
person is and whatever it is that they're

creating, that's that they've actually put
some thought into, is just the reflection

of an expansion of what you have, you know, which is a beautiful

thing. You know, it's incredible
what we can do when we get out

of, you know, the rat
race of, you know, just going

through the steps and doing all the
things, but when you take a moment

to really own your life and make
those, you know, creative and curatorial

decisions about your life. Yes,
it's incredible what you can do with that.

Absolutely, and that's why I've grown
such a huge appreciation for the things

that people do, because it comes
from, you know, we just,

like I said, we just see
the physical thing, but the where it

comes from. It just comes from, you know, their experiences, their

childhood, how they feel everything.
I mean, products are brought to market

based on needs and things and it's
other experiences that people have had, you

know. So it's just, you
know, an appreciation for it is.

I've, you know, just grown
a deeper appreciation for the things that people

do. I can see your generosity
in the way that you share and in

the way that you show up in
the world. You know, even when

it's like a funky day for you, you express it with incredible generosity,

which I think is really appreciated by
the folks that, you know that have

you on their on their feed.
You know, this has the that have

you as one of their, you
know, boxes on their feet. It's

part of your brand. You know. I appreciate that. Thank you so

much. I appreciate it, I
really do, because, trust me,

there are some folks I'm like,
Nip, Oh, yeah, I can't

have you in my brain every day, you're just say I can't do it.

You know, no judgment, just
not for me. Right. Okay,

so I have a couple of questions
for you. All Right, so

you've gone through a couple of challenging
situations that you mentioned briefly. What we

all have a different story or different
dishes that we've been in for different reasons.

Right. What could you share about
how to come through a challenging situation

in your life, in a person's
life? I would say, just given

my particular situations and Traumas that I've
been through since I was a child,

I just think that I feel that
no matter what happens in life, that

we still have a responsibility and that
responsibility is to put out the best that

we can to help other people get
through it. So, you know,

if you've gone through something traumatic or
you've had, you know, childhood trauma

or you've had, like you know, just terrible experiences and losses and and

things like that, it can take
you to a really, really dark place

and you just you you are responsible
for pulling yourself out of those dark places.

It's you know, I don't put
that responsibility on anyone else but myself

because no matter what anyone tells me. It's up to me. It's up

to me to make the best out
of the life that I was given,

because there was so many things.
There's there are so many things that are

outside of our control, so many
things that we wish didn't happen, so

many things that we wish we can
change, but we can't. So the

best way to deal with those things
is to first of all recognize that they

happen and then also do your best
to heal him and whatever healing is for

you. You know, everyone has
to create their own way to heal.

You know, for some people they
meditate, for some people they pray,

for some people they paint, you
know, whatever it is, you just

have to despite whatever happened that you
didn't have control over. You just have

to dig deep within yourself, pull
yourself out of those dark places and just

find different ways that you can heal
and you'll know while you're on that healing

journey. You'll know what's working what's
not working, because throughout the healing process

you'll try different things and they may
or may not work, you know,

but it's just continually continuing to work
on your healing process. That is what

I recommend to anyone that's been through
dark times or have been through situations where,

you know, it pretty much brought
them to their knees or you know,

it just brought them to a place
where they thought that they couldn't come

out of. But you can't come
out of those places. You can't.

It can be absolutely hard to but
it's never impossible. You most certainly can.

You just had to recognize what the
issue is, recognize your feelings.

You know, that's the thing.
Is like sometimes, you know, we

have all these, you know,
feelings harboring within us and we don't recognize

them, and that's the first thing, that's the first thing you have to

do in order to heal. You
know, like myself, like my mother

died from cancer. You know,
my father died from a cocaine induce heart

attack when I was nineteen, and
I had to see both my both of

those, I had to, you
know, witness both of my parents.

I had I seen both my parents
take their last breaths. So that's you

know, those are traumatic things that
you can't change, you can't control,

and it's going to always be there. It's going to always still be there

somewhat. But I think that with
traumatic situations, with pain, with loss,

but disappointments is that don't let it
be a total loss for you,

you know, don't let someone's death
be in vain. Don't let you know

a disappointment in there. Let something
good grow out of that and that that's

that's my thought on that. Yeah, I love that. Thank you for

sharing that. I you know,
my mother passed away in two thousand eight

and I went to a friend not
long after and she asked me what,

what was the the thread of my
mother's life like? What was the thing?

And we talked about what that thing
was and her suggestion to me,

which was really wise, was take
that and move it forward. So if

there was something in your mother's life
that held back not only her but held

back a piece of your familial legacy, because you know I'm all about that,

right, then look at what that
is and see what you can do

to move that one thing forward.
And I found and in that moment I

was grieving. It was not long
after my mother passed away and I couldn't

fully take that in or process it. And over time, though, I

began to recognize what that was.
You know where the power was in that

to see, you know what,
that thing what I could do to move

that part of our family legacy forward, and I did and it was it

was really helpful, you know.
So when my father passed away five years

later, I had that I still
had that nugget and and it helped and

it helped with my process. That's
amazing. Yeah, I agree. You

know, I'm at a point in
my life where I feel that it's my

responsibility to break generational curses and generational
things that have happened to my family.

My mission is not only to do
certain things that are kind of all my

bucket list or on my dream list, but also live my life in a

manner where these bad things that happen
don't continue and and these things that were

learned don't continue. You know,
I just had a discussion recently about that,

about, you know, how I
was raised and how, in the

beginning of Motherhood, I felt that
those negative traits, you know that my

parents they probably didn't know because,
you know, it was something passed down

to them, that I just felt
I was continuing on that path and then

I realized no, that's not that's
not right. Just because that's what my

grandma did, that's what my dad
did, that's what my mom did.

That does not mean it's right.
So part of my mission is to you

know, at the end of my
life, for me to look up and

say I created a different pattern for
my future generations. Yeah, yeah,

Bravo to you for that. You
know, me too. Me Too.

I think it's really easy to who
we get to a certain point in life

where we have these moments in life, these crossroad moments in life, where

we know darn well that we can
go on autopilot and continue bs or represented

with an opportunity to do things a
little bit differently. And, you know,

Bravo to the ways that you've chosen
to do things differently. Thank you.

Thank you, you know, and
I'm going to acknowledge myself for having

done the same in some instances where
it's easy to be like, well,

I'm going to rage too, because
you know, because there's a million reasons

why you can do certain things,
or you take that stop, like you

said, that moment to say,
Hmm, I know that I can do

this because I know how to do
this. For me it was I knew

how to be angry right, but
then I started to recognize that buying into

that is really an investment into.
It's a bad investment. Oh, yes,

right, it's a bad investment that's
going to keep rolling and rolling and

it can only take away, it's
not going to add. And so,

for certain areas in my life I
have a lot to be grateful for in

terms of my family and the things
I got from my parents and from my

family and from my my ancestors.
I got some great stuff and and I

also know that there are some things
that I'm responsible for changing, and so

I'm actively trying to do that.
Awesome. That's awesome. I definitely understand.

It's just and I think honestly,
with covid happening, it was kind

of a blessing and a curse at
the same time, because I realized talk

to says, yeah, I feel
like there was a lot of gross that

happened too, a lot of gross. I mean, I think I really

allowed us to really sit down and
think and analyze and and really see which

way we want our life to go
and which way we want our story to

be told. You know, you
know, my big thing is, you

know, the way certain things happen
in my family. Like I didn't want

that to be my narrative. I
don't want that to be my narrative anymore.

I just, you know, like
you said, I was an angry

person, like I was quick to
just get angry or or handle to certain

situations the wrong way. But now, you know, I'm choosing to just

change everything, just change my path, you know, just just go on

a whole new path. Good for
you. Lead on. How can we

all help you, Hal when we
support you? You know, honestly,

that's trying to think. I'm it's
kind of a difficult question, but I

would just say, I mean where
your question came from, but that's your

supporting me now, like this is
this is awesome, like, I've never

been on a podcast before, little
long your podcast, so this is really

a blessing. So I feel very
supported in this moment. I feel blessed

to it. How can we support
Your Business? How can we support you,

even if it's just what can we
do, like, what do you

need right now? I would just
say visit our website, wwwcon CDXCOM,

and then follow us on social media. I do have plans on doing some

other things. I'm trying to grow
and what I'm doing starting a retail store,

was just kind of like something on
my bucket list, something that helped

me grow, something that filled my
cup, and I'm just looking to do

other things now. I'm looking to
just try to, you know, achieve

all the things that I've I've been
trying to do, but also keep,

keep people at the forefront of everything. That's that's kind of what I want,

I want my focus to be,
because I see a lot of you

know, like I know, people
that are have done successful things, but

they've lost touch with humanity and I
think it's easy to happen and I've put

myself in their shoes and I say, well, I see how that can

happen, but I just want to
make sure that, no matter where I

go on this journey is that I
keep people first. Wow, that's powerful.

Thank you for the way that you're
showing up in this world. I

really appreciate it. Thank I appreciate
you as well. Thank you for showing

up here with me and having this
conversation with me. I really absolutely,

absolutely, I come back. Definitely, if I'm invited, I'll be here.

Okay, yeah, thank you so
much. You're welcome. Thank you

so much for listening to my conversation
with you. Va Michelle. I got

so much out of speaking with her
and hearing from her. This woman has

incredible strength and grace and I really
appreciated her taking the time to chat with

me and to share with all of
you. I hope that you got something

out of it and that you took
some notes, and there are some things

for me that really stuck out,
like the fact that humans are delicate,

we really really are, and some
of the practices that she shared about how

she ensures that her day is the
day that she really wants to have.

I got a lot out of this
and I hope that you did too.

Thank you so much also for listening
to the shaping freedom podcast. I really

appreciate it and look forward to sharing
my next guest with you soon.