Shaping Freedom With Lisane Basquiat : Your Life Wellness Legacy w/ Aaron Robinson

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In an episode that plays like an open letter between a Mother and Son, this heartfelt conversation between host Lisane Basquiat and guest Aaron Robinson speaks to the journey of creating and defining your life wellness legacy. Join Lisane and Aaron as they discuss the life-changing power of meditation, self-discovery, and sharing your gifts with the world. Aaron Robinson is a meditation coach and the host of Opening Presence - a podcast created to aid those on the path of self-realization. Over the last 4 years, he has dedicated himself to creating spaces for healing, personal growth, and accountability through mindfulness workshops and public talks for corporations, non-profits, schools, and communities. Realizing that most people struggle with consistency in their meditation practice, Aaron has created a modern framework for beginners to apply whenever they fall out of their routine. Through collective experiences we see that showing up isn’t just half of the battle, it’s the whole damn thing.

Shaping Freedom With Lisane Basquiat
Welcome to Shaping Freedom where we teach you how to create the change you want so you are empowered to author a life story you love to read. I am your host, Lisane Basquiat. Each week I'll speak with inspirational leaders and we'll explore and share practical ways to create extraordinary life experiences!

Episode transcripts

Hi there, this is Lissan boss. Yeah, they host of the shaping
freedom podcast. I am so excitedto share my conversation with my next guest
with you. We talked about somany juicy and needy things during this conversation
and I know you're going to loveit and I know that you'll also walk
away from this conversation feeling as uplifted, as grounded, as centered and just
as filled with joy as I am. This gentleman really talked. If I
had to boil it down to whatwe talked about, it really was about
life, wellness and in this conversationwe talked about the relationship between mothers and
sons and the relationships between, youknow, human being, men and women.
We talked about meditation and on beingconnected with yourself and the journey that
we're all on during our time onthis planet. I really have a tremendous
amount of respect and admiration for thisperson and for the work that he's doing
standing up and teaching and preaching andsharing. So, without further Ado,
I would love for you to listento my conversation with Aaron Robinson. Hi,
Aaron, Hello, has on happyNew Year. Let's start with that.
Yeah, we made it, madeit. Yeah, so far we're
here. So I was really excitedto learn about you and I was introduced
to you by Tyler, I think, from Straw hot media. He produces
my podcast today. Produce Your podcastas well? They don't, but I
grew up with tyler so made himgo back and since we've kind of like
gone on our own paths and Istarted my own podcast, he was somebody
that I reached out to to beguests on other people's podcasts. So,
okay, that's kind of part ofthe growth strategy, is reaching new audiences.
Tyler knows the coolest, Frea goodpeople. Anybody that's Tylot puts in
front of me, I'm like,Oh shit, I really like this person.
I want to get to know thisperson. I went and did some
digging around on on the internets totry to, you know, get a
I don't like to get too deepinto things. I just like to get
a feel, you know, fora person ahead of time, just so
I can kind of put that intomy awareness and kind of wait to see
what kind of questions start to bubbleup for me relating to you. And
so let's just go ahead and getstarted. I'm interested to see what you
found. I found that you reallyliked lamburger is, that you don't need
meet anymore and that you spent sometime at Lake Timothy. That I'd never
heard of, and so I lookedit up. I'm like, that's a
hundred miles away from where I am. That is Lambert lamburgers, that I
could go for a lamburger right nowactually, because I dabble in the vegetarian
place, but I'm eating meat nowreally. Yeah, that's interesting. I
actually I've been vegetar or Pesketarian forten years now, and last summer,
during the summer of two thousand andtwenty, I just started to feel really,
really depleted and like my body wantedsomething and I walked into a butcher,
you know, store close to meand I'm like, I haven't had
meat nine years. I need apiece of really beautiful me right something like
that. It's going to be reallygentle on my system. And I had
a piece of meat, you know, and I've done it maybe three or
four times since and yeah, youknow, it feels good when I do
it and then I'm over it fora minute and you know, it's all
good. Yeah, I like theallowing ourselves those things, without the guilt,
though, like hold the you replease. Yeah, what is that
about? I mean it's like dowhat feels good to your body has wisdom
and your body, I will tellyou what what to eat when you're really
listening to your body and not tothe party yourself that's telling you to eat
all the other crappy things. So, Aaron, Um, I know that
meditation, from what I can telland from what I've heard, is a
big part of what you do orhow you support people, but I'd love
to know, I'd love to kindof back into that by who are you?
I want to know who you are, what I am, how I
yeah, yeah, that's what Iwant to know. Let's start there.
Yeah, you okay? Well,I am a thirty two year old,
thirty, almost thirty three next month, person from Carlsbad, California. You're
based in Carlada, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, born
and raised in Carls bad, asyou can have you as you've experienced,
it's pretty much an ideal place tobe in the world, and it's fatful,
secretly jealous of all of my friendswho lived elsewhere and then landed in
Carl's bed because it like allows themto fulfill their sense of adventure and like.
And then you chose the right placeand then you get to start a
whole new life in a beautiful place, but differently, in a different sense.
I grew up there, and Ifeel like everybody's hometown is everybody's hometown.
So if you grew up in Montana, you have the same relationship to
your hometown, or similar relationship,where the people that you grow up with
kind of keep you in a boxper se, and you get familiar to
the box in your like, sinceI'm going to be in this box,
let me doodle on the walls,and you think that you're being really creative
with the limitations you've kind of beenhanded, with the things you've learned from
your parents and societal structures and allthat kind of stuff. And growing up,
I was an athlete playing baseball,and that was kind of where I
expressed myself the most, was insports, and then also art as well.
I was really quiet and shy,not having a lot of, I
guess, like friends or family thatcan like articulate these inner experiences that I
was having as a young kid.I would just I felt like, oh,
nobody, nobody else is talking aboutthese things that I'm feeling, so
let it, let me just keepthem to myself. And I think that's
something that I and knowingly like justkind of kept inside for a very,
very, very, very long timegoing through high school and college and feeling
like the sense of ankst that Ihad to kind of like conform to these
offbeat rhythm patterns of friendships and ingroups and stuff. It felt like I
had to like almost like act andkind of just go along to get along
and not really feel heard to whatmy truth is. Um So, I
graduated college with a degree in likearts and technology, which is like music
and video and stuff of that nature, always kind of being a multidisciplinary I'm
just trying to figure, figure andtinker things out. And then after college
I was coming to that point,I was like twenty five, twenty five,
twenty six, where it was justlike I had had enough and there
was just enough compiled angst and sufferingthat was like coupled with just like fear
of like actually stepping out and doingthings. That where I finally was like
I'm going to move to I gotto move away to figure out who I
am. So when I was twentysix and two thousand and sixteen, I
moved to Portland, Oregon, whichI am now, where I'm at now.
While I guess it's hard to likesum up like a childhood with like
contrasting parenting styles and stuff, butI think we'll be able to weave that
in there. But when I wasmoved up here, just before I moved
up here, my mother was diagnosedwith breast cancer. So my first two
years here she was struggling with breastcancer and I would speak with her on
the phone on my walks with mydog and like it was is interesting because
it was like like the first timethat I had broken away from the nest,
like for Real, like I wentto college, but it was at
cal State San Marcos like right overthe hill from carls bad, so wasn't
like I went anywhere, but thiswas like my first time really going out
into the world and my mom washaving a tough time battling cancer and fought
like brilliantly and we lost her intwo thousand and seventeen. My brother Ryan
and I, who lives in SanDiego, still and yeah, thank you,
and and that was like that thatwas the initiation. That was like
the spark for me to really hitrock bottom, because her whole existence was
in service to to me. Regardlessof that was like the intention was there,
but maybe like the methods of attachmentkind of didn't work in the ways
that she had wanted them. LikeI hadn't really had to do anything on
my own, like literally, likemy whole life, she was always like
my safety blanket and I never knewif I could actually do things in the
world. Like like I remember justbeing in school and she would like I
would just not finish my homework andshe would just finish my homework for me,
and I always knew I had herthere to to to take the baton
pass the finish line when I justdecided I didn't want to do something anymore.
So losing her was obviously in fora lot of people. They're in
like the the group of people thathave experience loss. Like we all know
that. It like knocked you twoto your knees and it's like you're presented
this opportunity. It's like it's clearas day. Could either the left or
right, like do I want tolike dwell in this or do I want
to use this as motivation to moveforward into to really act actively, like
express the gratitude that we have forthe lessons that we learned and and and
still continue the relationship through a new, chosen path. And that's how I
landed on meditation. was that itwas a year after passing and I was
like I took finally took that reallook. I was like Yo, like
life isn't changing, you're still drinkingat these bars and clubs and like you
have no problem running that baton tothe finish line every single night. Like
yeah, those are the hard conversations. Yeah, what am I what am
I doing right now? And Ireally had that, I had that moment
where I was like all right,what am I willing to do? And
I was like Oh, like meditationsalways been kind of just like on the
side. Like when I was nineteen, nineteen or twenty, early S,
I read super rich by Russell Simmons, who like in the middle of his
book he said like put the bookdown now and and go meditate, and
then I was introduced to another bookcalled Eastern Body, Western mind a couple
years later. That talked about theChakra System. So it's always kind of
the language for my internal world waslike really in arms reach, and this
was like the first time where Iwas like, I'm going to commit to
this thing and and see if itactually works. And, Lo and behold,
it does when you have consistency.Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
know, I lost my mother's physicalpresence as well back in two thousand and
eight, and it is a verypainful obviously, and also a very interesting
journey to go on because it theloss of a person that you love or
the loss of someone that you're connectedto brings you to a new reflection to
yourself, you know, like sticksthis mirror up where you start to negotiate
things and process the things that havehappened. So I share that as well,
and it's an ongoing lifetime journey,you know, because the person's there,
you know, the physical presence isn'tthere, but they certainly are there
and and it's a relationship that continuesto grow. Oh Yeah, you know,
throw out as you're growing in thephysical you know, here you're kind
of growing alongside that your perspective ofthat person and the ways that they related
to you, in the ways thatthey can continue to relate to you on
your journey and then I have ason and his name is Joseph and he's
a grownass man, and when youwere telling the part of your story about
the relationship that you had with yourmom, it reminded me of this moment
that I had with my son wherehe was in his early s at that
point and he was just like tryingto figure things out right, and he
big, bold, create, courageousdude, super creative, and I had
had a similar he was my firstbornand I had had a similar kind of
relationship with him, or a similardynamic where I wanted to care for him
so much that in a lot ofways, I took that away from him
right with my daughter it's completely different. She's like you never had to get
away, which shit, but withmy son it was that way. But
I remember, as you were talking, I remember this moment with my son
where Joseph and I were sitting inthe living room at my house back in
on the East Coast and I knewhe was struggling, you know, he
was kind of out, he wasout of the House already and he was
struggling and, you know, tryingto, you know, make his way
and I remember this moment that Ilooked at him and I said, you
know, I really want to helpyou, but I know that I can't
and that's really hard. And helooked at me and he said thank you,
because what that means is that youbelieve in me. He believe that
I can do this on my own. And it was like a mind fuck
because all of a sudden I waslike, Oh shit, like I was
doing something from the perspective of wantingmy son to know that I was there
for him and wanting to also infusethat feeling of you know, there's someone
in this world for a black man, you know there's I'm here, and
what I was doing was, insome ways taking away his power versus empowering
him or letting him know that Ibelieved in him. And so it was
really a course correction for me inthat moment, and so I wanted to
share that both to give you thatopposite side of the conversation from a mother,
and then I also wanted to shareit because we are talking to a
large audience of people and for thosemothers and sons who are out there who
are going through the same journey,because I think it's popular, I think
it's it's a it happens right.And so you know, sometimes, when
we're trying to help, what we'rereally doing is getting in the way of
another person's growth and journey and theirability to stand more firmly on their feet.
So, for all the MOM's ofthe dudes out there, back back
up lane. Yeah, jumping allup into their stuff. Let them know
what you need to. Let themknow and let them grow and show you
who they are. Yeah, letthem fail, like that's the thing.
It's like you can't protect your sonsor daughters or children, firstborns specifically,
but you can't protect us from failing, and that's like, thank you for
sharing that, because that's that's aconversation I never got to have with my
mom, like even like to theend, it was still just like her
willing to like die on the sword, and I'm just like no, no,
like you focused on me too much, like you're in your deathbed with
zero energy and you're still trying tolook after me when it's like no,
like the reason why, like allof it happened was because she was never
willing to put herself first, andthat was something that I'm like, I'm
looking at as a lesson I'm justlike I can't put anybody before me.
Ever, like I can't. Ican't do that, because that means it's
going to be depleting me and I'mnot going to be able to show up
for others in the way that Iknow that I can. And creating boundaries
is something that, like, I'vestill like like have to learn, but
it's still it's something that I'm veryaware of of when I'm not prioritizing my
energy, because I've I've seen whatit what happens when we put others first
and we don't connect to ourselves,and in a way that's respectful. Absolutely,
it's kind of that. It's youknow that scripture love your neighbor as
you love yourself, and I've saidthis before, but it's like we focus
so much on, or people focusso much on the love your neighbor part.
Right, like the way that I'mgoing to show and demonstrate my love
for you is by taking something awayfrom myself, and none of no,
that's not love. That's a wholedifferent thing. Right. It's the as
you love yourself part, because ifyou focus on the relationship that you're in
with yourself and if you focus onwhat healthy love looks like, you know,
toward yourself. Then you can trulyshow up for another person and show
them how to love you through yourability to love yourself. And I think
this sack, this tendency to beoverly sacrificial as a way of showing your
love really winds up almost being aweapon versus you, versus armor for the
person, most definitely, because thenyou're responsible for what I don't do.
HMM, right, and how unfairis that? Yeah, right, yeah,
I think it's all just like learnedbehaviors. It's just, yeah,
I'M gonna become a martyr for thisexactly. That's the word. Cause,
this cause that I'm fighting for,and it just like, you know,
we don't have to do that,and I think that's the thing. Is
like looking for new solutions and andwe don't have to do it like our
parents did it, we don't haveto do it like society tells us,
and I think that's where, likethe practice and relationship to self kind of
prevails over everything else, because,like, whenever I look out into the
world and there's all these different messagesand it's like what should I believe?
What should I latch onto it's like, I don't care about none of that,
like I'm gonna refer back to myselfevery single time and whatever. Yeah,
whatever comes up for me is whatI'm rolling with, and that's something
that I was way too willing tonegotiate and just, Oh, that group
of people think that all right,cool, I do too, just so
I can be cool with everybody.And it's like I don't care about being
cool with anybody, like right,like like outcast me all you want,
but it's like I'm going to behaving a funnel party by myself, then
absolutely, because if you're not coolwith yourself, yeah, where's the party?
You know, yeah, there ismen right, I like that.
All Right, carry your story on. Let's see where else, because you're
stories bringing up some great stuff.Okay, so, after experiencing like this
deep, deep trauma and like,I think, the I think I'm still
living out like that, that secondpart, like coming through developing a meditation
practice and changing a lot, likelike seeing how I showed up for myself,
change my relationship to self, changed, my relationship to other people changed,
the feedback that I was getting fromthe world changed. I was more
open, more willing to laugh,more willing to take risks getting rewarded for
like these changes, in willingness toshow up and be the new person in
new rooms and wanting to reach outin a new place. Like I I
am a creative person, like Ido like photography and I paint and I
like have all these skills. Andin like connecting with people's like the number
the number one thing, and likehaving the time to heal first, but
then identify the things that are likenonnegotiables in my life, and in seeking
coherency and alignment within my relationships andstarting to see the energy that I was
putting out, like I would getlike a like a feedback of similar energy.
And I'd started to create like acommunity in Portland. So that process
is still ongoing. And and sincelike creating a practice, I started welcoming
people into like my meditation practice onlike instagram and stuff like that. was
kind of like as a beginner meditatora few years ago, and I still
consider myself a beginner. I justwould be online and just be like Yo,
like, I know most people don'tmeditate, but here, come on,
come meditate with me, and that'ssomething that I had done consistently over
the last couple of years is justlike, let me just show you that.
It doesn't look like this this blondhair, blue eyed, white girl
named Brittany that found yoga and thenis now like getting paid hundreds of thousands
of dollars. And it's just likethere's this one mode. It's like the
Guru and India at the Himalayas,levitating with a long white beard. It's
like it, only it looks liketwo different things. It looks like the
eastern way or like the appropriated Westernway. And I decided to let Yo,
like there's not a lot of peoplethat look like me in this space.
Like, not consciously, it wasjust more so like I've experienced like
an inner freedom that I had neverexperienced before, and I know a lot
of people are struggling. So letme show you the way. I'm not
going to do it for you,but this is in a doorway to experience
yourself in a way that you hadn'tbefore. I love that and I did
notice that. Um, and Ikeep thinking, I keep telling myself,
like just do one online, youknow, and I haven't gotten around to
doing that yet, but I sayyou did as like that's bold. I
like that. I like that alot. Why Yoga? I'm sorry,
why meditation? Who? I don'tknow. It was just it was like
I've done other things. I thinkit's because I've denied myself for so long.
There was just like Yo, likeyou know, you got this gift,
and I don't know if it wasfear or aversion to truth, but
it's it's the thing that that finallylike work, that actually worked and created
a level of like trust and selfthat was absent and that that I didn't
have for a long time. Likegrowing up, I didn't have trust in
my intuition, like I would alwayslook to other people to validate what I
was feeling. Like I recall likegoing snowboarding with friends and we be driving
home and like we're like Oh,like, which way do we need to
go? And I was the oneperson in the car that was like,
Oh, yeah, we need togo that way, like kind of quietly,
and then everyone overruled me in thecar and we kept going straight and
then like forty minutes down the road, they're like hey, guys, we're
all going the wrong way, sowe have to go back the way that
I had initially like said, butbut not having like that Real, real
like like confidence, to be likeYo, we're going this way because I
know what the Hell I'm talking about, like I would just I would allow
other people's influences to kind of overridewhat I knew in my heart to be
true. And I think connecting tothat coherence is something that meditation, that
gave me, and that's why Icontinue to meditate, because it's like,
Oh, like the divine, theother side of this material, conscious,
like life that we're living as,where all sims and avatars like moving into
the world, that other side oflike spaciousness and communing with God, like
that's more real to me than anythingin the world, and I still get
away from it and I'm just like, when I come back, I was
like, Yo, why do Iever leave this place? Like it gives
me, it gives me everything thatI've ever wanted, but then I get
seduced by the material and get caughtup in things. But to know that
I have this reservoir of energy,of coherence, of love, of of
confidence that's always here. I justneed to sit and dedicate these thirty minutes
every morning or evening and just findingtime and prioritizing that over everything, everything
else just falls in the line.And once you experience that for yourselves,
because nobody can do it for you, like that's that's where we're actually moving
and part of my mission is tocreate a space where people can be beginners
and learn how to construct a practicefor their lifetime like this and something that
you do for a season. It'slike no, like for the rest of
my life I'm going to have aconsistent meditation practice, and that's like the
most daunting thing in the world.It's like starting a new diet for your
for your soul. HMM. Butyeah, like trying to walk people through
and doing it with them, likethat's the thing I do. I do
like workshops with like businesses and likecreative agencies and stuff, and like there's
always like like a company wide emailthat says, hey, we're going to
do this meditation workshop with this guy, Aaron, and a company of two
hundred people, and then like sixpeople show up for like the meditation and
an out of those six, twopeople are really excited to get this thing
going. And practice comes at yourown time, but it's always going to
be available and I want to kindof be like the sign guy at the
corner, saying like ninety nine,set me take this way, meditation.
There, he's killing it all thatcorner, like he's flipping that side.
I'm still gonna be there, likeI'm gonna be there, like saying,
like here's the way and it's inwardand it doesn't have to be this complex
thing. It's just it's just,yeah, making it a priority. Yeah,
and I like the word practice.You know, when you really like
stop, because we hear it alot, right, and if you really
stop to really think about it,it's a practice, meaning it's something that
you're getting in and do. It, getting into and doing on a routine
basis. That's it. And it'snot about the perfection of it. It's
more about surrendering to yourself, youknow, coming into integration with yourself.
Yeah, there's no goal, likethat's the thing. It's like what do
I get? People are like,what do I get out of this thing?
And if it's not quantifiable, likeif it's not like I can't see
it written out on the screen,like it's the thing. That's like I've
changed so much, like I'm adifferent person than I was five years ago,
but like my change is all internal. It's like you go to the
gym and you get definition, butit's like when you meditate, you don't
get like abs on your forehead orthere's no there's no like gold star that
you get to like walk around with, but it's an energy and you feel
it and people feel it on you. Absolutely. But yeah, what's different
about you today versus five years ago? More handsome. Why would you be
more handsome? What did you do? I think just being more present and
and I think that. I thinkthat quality. And so it's like I
still go up and down and there'stimes where I'm not feeling great, but
I think being on like the hometeam, like team me, like,
people respect that. Like people don'trespect like somebody who doesn't see like their
own gifts and and I don't know, just don't respect themselves to that level.
Not to say like arrogance or cockiness, is just like, Oh,
I finally started loving myself, andI think that's something that that resonates and
people want to be around. SoI think once the relationship with self was
healed, I think was able tolike bring in the gifts that the other
people had waiting for me, withwith smiles and with wanting to do things
like for each other and stuff likethat. But yeah, and I've been
going to the gym more. Solook at you work it out, the
mind, the emotion, the body, all of it, because that's really
takes right. Like you can goout and do all the you know,
the APP work or you know,Peck work that you want, and at
the end of the day, it'slike turning that light on inside is really
the thing that gives you that glow. Yeah, that's where they that's the
handsome I. Yeah, it's referringto. Yeah, it's kind of like
just like a full court press,because now it's like all right, this
is meditation, is what I doto kind of feel at peace, like
all right, from this place.And then there's just all these different layers
of practice, essentially, like whetherthat's like diet and paying attention to like
gut, microbiome and all these differentthings that we have the power to like
turn these levers and figure out.Like you're saying earlier, is just like
being pescetarian and realizing that you neededto eat some some meat. Like those
are the things that are in ourcontrol, that we can make these decisions
and pull all these levers so Ithink engaging with this practice in its entirety,
it's starting to like expand into moreof like a generalize like life wellness
practice. or It's all right,I know I like waking up in the
morning because it makes me feel purposeful. All right, cool five o'clock alarm
and like I had. I likegoing to the gym, using the Sauna,
I like trying new things, likenew supplements and all that kind of
stuff, and it all kind ofcompiles into creating the lifestyle that I'm meant
to live, as opposed to somebodyselling me this dream that you can buy
on clearance. I'm just like,I don't want to do that. I
want to do this over here,I want to travel, I want to
like have deep relationships and figuring itout what it is that we actually want
and then just going towards that,no matter how much the world wants to
rip you out of this space.Because it's like I'm like fairly like entrepreneurial,
but there's still like a part ofme that's like willing to sacrifice or
willing to just negotiate and become apart of another cog in the wheel,
and it's like that part of meI'm just like trying to like trying to
kill, like I just like Idon't want that, you know, want
I don't want. I don't wantthat part of me that's going to be
like yes, sir, like no, ma'am, like like what do I
have to do? Know, allright, and somebody else dictating what I
do with my time and my myenergy. It's like I'm here to like
serve people through example, and ifI'm not doing that, that I'm not
fulfilling my highest calling. And andthere's a part of me that's like that
consistent check looks really good and thatDada and I got to make these decisions
and stuff. But but being hereright now with you is proof enough to
continue to stay on this path ofself realization. Well, there's something there,
I think, that I love.I wrote down you referring to it
as life wellness, you know,because that really is what it's about.
It's like we write these goals aboutlike what we're going to do and what
we're going to accomplish, and thosethings are great, like I love to
accomplish things to thing, you know, and it's really about the how,
right, how you're going to live, you know, how you're going to
set yourself up for success physically,mentally, emotionally and spiritually so that you
can do those things, are accomplishthose things from a more authentic place,
you know. Yeah, HMM.Yeah, the authenticity part of it is
like the driving force, because it'slike what it like if you don't,
if you can't be yourself, thenyou're you're investing in the wrong like reservoir.
It's like you're investing in this thingthat's not you at the end of
the day, and it's like you'reinvesting in your true self. It's like
it just doesn't get old. Whereare you going to be in five years?
So where do you want like fight? Let's say it's what you're we
at two thousand and twenty two,so January, two thousand and twenty seven,
Aaron, what where would you liketo be? What do you want
to be talking about? Okay,five years, I will be outside of
the outside of the United States,for sure, maybe Portugal or something.
Portugal seems to be the place.I've never been there, but I need
there are many people that have goneand a few people that have actually relocated
there, and I hear it isamazing. Yeah, I had getting self
there. Yeah, I think likefive years, like like the dream is
like financial freedom, like that's likea that's a lesson for me, is
creating financial freedom for myself and notbeing tied to anything. Like freedom is
of the highest priority. And howdo you create freedom? Is With a
level of discipline and expressing that disciplineacross different areas of my life. As
far as what I'm talking about,like, I don't know, it's always
been like a like a fluid process, as new things are happening in the
world and then new solutions kind ofbubble up. As far as like what
what do we need to do,like in this current climate, I identified
that I needed to speak out moreand in voice my opinion and not be
afraid, especially like I have aplatform and it's like no, I need
like I don't need anybody, anythingleft to assumption, like I need to
say exactly what I mean to say. Yeah, behind it, no matter
what the repercussions are. So Ithink ascending along that trajectory and creating and
being able to support communities that areinterested in those types of things. As
far as figuring out what each ofus wants, and not everybody wants the
same thing and how do we goabout doing those things and being a resource
to one another in that in thatspace? And it's a very like lonely
space at a lot of the timeswhen it's like there's groups of people that
are just like working at this placeor that aren't going to be able to
just like get up and go toMexico City for a week. And that's
like what I envision for myself isI, Oh, I think it'd be
fun to do a workshop in Guam. Let's go to Guam. Yeah,
so freedom from what you talked aboutfreedom. What would you want it?
What does that mean? I don'tthink it's I don't think it's freedom from
yeah, I think freedom from likethe the smaller self, freedom from like
falling back into old patterns. Ithink it's like, in a sense,
it's just healing all of the woundsin realizing like my own like true potential,
and I think it's I think it'sfreedom from from selflimiting beliefs, freedom
from societal norms. Not to saythat I'm like start a hippie cult or
anything like that, but it's likeI like I want my mind and body
to be independent from any type oflife circumstance, and I think that that
coincides with just like spiritual growth andbeing forthright with my practice and then investing
in my relationships and having tough conversationsthat I a lot of the times a
void, but there is no likeblueprint for it. It just like I
know the things that I need todo and it's like sometimes like I'm very
willing to to spearhead these transformational orinitiations for myself, which I've done,
but then some of them are alot harder to initiate where I'll just kick
it down the road for like I'llget to that in six months. Oh,
six months turns to six years andit's like Yo, like why did
I like, why don't I justdo this thing now, because that will
grant me the freedom that I desiresooner. But why do I kick kicking
these things down? And I thinkthat's kind of the more behavioral psychological things
that I that I need to orthat I'm obviously aware of, that need
to have action behind the the realizingpart of it. If there was something
that you could have told the guywho was sitting in the car back when
you were I don't know how old, you were not really speaking your truth
or not standing for yourself. Whatwould you say to him to that?
Errand, Oh, it's not theirfault. MMM, yeah, yeah,
and it's I think that's that's probablylike the lesson that still like resonates to
this day, like if I'm nottreated or receiving what I feel like I'm
giving, because I feel like Igive a lot and I'll downplay the energy
that I give. HMM. Likeeven in just like conversations and stuff,
I've been able to, like Isaid before, like create boundaries and stuff,
but just like like they may notbe able to see it. And
yes, there's ways to kind oflike using the market place in technology to
allow people to create visibility. Butlike can they feel and understand like my
value, in my worth? Sometimesthat's not up to me, and I
think like knowing that it's not theirfault that they can't see me and the
way that I know or that it'slike it's like blatantly obvious to me and
the people that love me, butlike some people just can't. It's just
like it's not their fault that theythey don't have the technology or optical hardware
to to perceive me in this way. But yeah, that's that's probably it.
What I love about that is Ithink that so often people hop into
the blame game. Something happens andit's like it's their fault, you know,
it's not my fault, that theirfault, you know, and it
takes away from the ability to reallysee what's going on, you know,
and if you can come from aplace of like okay, what's really going
on here? Yeah, it cansave it's say. First of all,
it's so much more efficient because whenyou get into that blame game and finger
pointing game, then it's really justa matter of like is it your fault?
Is it my fault? Right,and that's we're fighting about, and
the thing that's really going on getslost because it book. It's not as
important as, you know, meproving to you that you're wrong and you're
trying to do the same back.So I really love that. That's you
know, that's the thought, orthat would be the approach, because after
you determine that it's not, there'sno faults, you know, then you
can really get to a solution.HMM. Yeah, I love that.
Like even when in instances when itclearly is somebody else's fault. I'm going
to like wear the blanket of accountabilityand just be like no, it's still
it's still your fault, like youcreated this situation, like whatever way I
can get into taking accountability for everythingthat occurs in the experience. Like that's
like that's like it becomes like secondnature after you kind of it kind of
feels uncomfortable. What first, becauseyou're just like now, they're always the
wrong, like it was obviously them, like they spilt the beans, like
it's all over them, and it'sjust like no, it's like no,
you spilt those beans, like andit's a almost feel kind of like weird
for doing that. But I think, I don't know, I think it
allows you to create more compassion forothers and yourself, because you realize that
you're not diminished from it. Likethat's the thing with when you take responsibility.
It's like it allows you to likein brace more of your humanity,
in your fallibility. It's like Yo, like that I'm just as capable as
they were to mess this thing up. So how about I don't judge them
or myself, but I'll take thisburden on right, and it's, I
think, the growth is in theaccountability, you know, because in that
you can say, like using thatas an example if we can, it's
like, yeah, they went fortyminutes out of the way and had to
circle back and they didn't listen toyou. And if you're taking accountability,
then you can really have that conversationwith yourself to say, like hey,
when I know something, I gottastand for that, you know, and
it's my responsibility, or I'm goingto take accountability for my part, my
role as a passenger in this car, and I'm going to speak up for
what I know to be the truth, because that's where there's something to grow
from. There's no growth, there'sno progress in, you know, getting
out of that car and saying,Oh, it's their fault, they didn't
listen to me and they could havesaved me eighty minutes. M Yeah,
and I think sorry to the like. This is like really like juicy,
but it's like in that just projectingin that moment, in the past,
though. But then it's like,as the driver of the car or the
people who didn't listen, they're soused to being kind of like ridiculed afterwards.
But then if there's no if there'sno response, and it's like there's
just silence and acceptance and it's justlike, oh, like, he's not
mad, and they were like waitingto get punished, which is why I
like they make those types of decisionsin the first place, and they're just
sitting there like, oh, he'snot mad, okay, like I can
relax, and we like nothing happen, and it's like why are we going
to be hung up on on thingsthat don't matter? And I think,
I think that creates more trust andopenness between people. Oh yeah, that's
that's very yeah, humans are crazy. That's like, give us at our
how how like we unlocked a lotof like really like program like stuff like
comp that's what it is. Yeah, thank giving people space to hear their
own bullshit. HMM, you know, and I have been you know,
there have been times in my lifewhere I have been totally so kind of
caught up in the moment of somethingthat I can like hop all over it.
And then when you do that,you literally cloak that person in your
emotional response. First is giving thatperson the opportunity to actually feel into that
empty space, you know, whereyou can sit and say, wow,
let me check me out in thisand that person can say, wow,
you know, let me check myselfout, like what do I what do
I need to do differently? Soallowing yourself the opportunity to have those conversations
with yourself and to grow, andalso allowing other people to do the same,
giving that to them also. Yeah, breach, we're preaching together.
We're coming down to the end ofour time and and I could talk,
I can. I could talk toyou for hours. We probably could come
back and pick another topic and dothis again at some point. What do
you want? What do you wantthe MOM's of black sons to know?
Oh, Oh, wow, thatwe love you, even though we don't
tell you. That's a good way. It's it's it's like ingrained and we
are so like. We are you, like we are a part of you,
like the the same things that you'refeeling, the relationships that you've had
with your parents and stuff like that, that feeling, like we have that
in us to like we feel thatsame exact way, like that depth,
like it's all there and and youare a part of us. So I
think when when you all black mothers, like feel certain things, just know
that like like we do too.Thank you for that I'll received that as
a black mother. What do youwant? Black men like yourself? What
do you have to say to blackmen like yourself? The other kings in
the kingdom? What do you haveto say to them? Turn up now,
I'm playing. Turn up for real. Turn up makes your crown,
damn it. Yeah, no,for real. I think it. I
think it goes back to just likethe accountability thing. It's like, yeah,
we can blame white people for everything, and there's a even in my
life. I'm just like Yo,like I should be like the biggest like
meditation like dude in the world andI should be like on complex news,
like Aaron Robinson Meditation. I sharehold of holes of retreat in Hawaii every
dad at a like and like whatever. But it's like you can be yeah,
I will, I will, likeit's all good, it's going to
happen, but it's like there's somany like scapegoats and it's all true.
Like the skateboards, like it's alltrue, like the history, like we
all know, like and I'm likelearning more about like just like black history.
Like every day with social media,like new memes come up and I'm
just like they did what they did. What? Yeah, are you serious
again today? Yeah, it's crazyand just like like in there's some there's
there's a reason to be mad,and it's like there's a reason to be
hurt, there's a reason to beangry, there's a reason to inflict violence
and to take the accountability and realizeit's like, okay, if I do
that, like it's only going tohurt me more, it's only going to
hurt like the people I love more. Okay, that's not that's not like.
That's not how we're going to move. But to address these pain,
this pain that we do have,in the ways that we know how to
and realize that's our responsibility, isaddressing our own pain, whether that is
going to therapy, whether that istaking frustrations out at the gym, starting
or daily meditation practice and really connectwith our true selves and not not looking
at football players and rappers as like, like the leaders of our society,
which is BS, like like somerappers are doing great things, great for
grant, yeah, but it's likeYo, it's like you gotta really connect
to yourself and let that be likethe baseline for everything else to build on
top of. Is like that deep, Deep Love and connection for ourselves,
and then relationships to everybody else andcommunity and society will happen. But it's
wake up in the morning and spendten minutes of meditation and then, and
then you can bless the world withyour presence. Absolutely. Okay, not
to leave anyone out. What doyou have to say to the sisters out
there about the relationships between men andwomen? I mean, y'all could teach
me. Yeah, I think justwhatever. I don't doubt. I don't
know. I think it's just likeexpressing like your full selves, like without
like placing expectations on on men.I think there's a lot of expectations,
some of them justified, but Ithink, yeah, I think allowing yourselves
to be silly and and fun,if you're fun, and not looking like
at each person as like a jobinterview like type of thing, like how
is he gonna do this? It'slike he'll tell you, like he'll tell
you with his actions, and notcondemning an entire group of people off of
one experience. It's like there's there'sa lot of depth and dimension to all
of us, and I think it'sit's recognizing that for everybody and answer.
So did it. Did I answerthe question or did I step around it?
Preaching today are and I heard,I heard the message, the sermon
king who do I guess I couldspeak in generalities where I'm just like,
I don't want to speak directly toit, but I could, I can
know, I think, one paintstroke and hit it all. Do you
like the answer? Is there somethingyou want to add to the answer?
or I'll keep that to myself?Okay, fair enough. Thank you so
much. I have loved this conversation. I really appreciate this conversation and what
I really appreciate is seeing a blackman out there showing people that there is
such power in selfcompassion and in givingyourself a moment and in connecting to nature
and connecting to God and connecting toyourself, and that that is one of
the primary ways for people to reallystrengthen themselves and the impact that they have
on this planet. And so thankyou so much for your contribution to that.
I went on to your instagram andI took a look and I was
at I like instantly. The energyof it is like really straight direct and
I love the fact that you're onthere as yourself, you know, and
like you said, it's not alwayslike being, you know, the long
white beard and you know, withan incense and all of that. You
know, you're a human being havingan experience and meditation and consciousness looks a
lot of different ways, and sothank you for showing up, you know,
for the folks that you are,the folks that are following you and
that appreciate you, you know,in the way that you do, because
you're teaching and you're preaching. Thankyou now. Thank you so much for
having me. This is amazing,like these are the the conversations that are
like replenishing, because it's like wego through like life and it's like how
rare is it for us to reallylike connect like this? That's like we've
had one. This is our secondconversation ever. Like we talked for like
fifteen minutes and then it's just likethe ability and trust that we have in
one another already from the jump.I'm just extremely grateful for because this is
like right here, is like whatI lived for and what I'm here for,
and thank you for providing an opportunityfor me to share my story and
speak with your audience. And,yeah, I look forward to speaking with
you again. Yeah, absolutely.Where can people find you? People can
find me on instagram at Aaron Robinson, that is a Ron Robiso in,
and then my website is www dotopening presencecom. Presence with the sea opening
ASENCE. I also have a podcastcalled opening presence with Aaron Robinson that is
on all streaming platform spotify, applepodcasts, any of those other ones that
you lit may listen to. Butyeah, it's a really cool soul expression
where I talked to artist entrepreneurs aboutthis journey that we all have and kind
of shedding light on how everybody's journeyis different and that there's no rule book
for how you do any one thing. It's you figuring it out with the
resources that we all have, andmost of the time the people that are
in our inner circle have a lotof wisdom that we can tap into if
we just kind of set them upto to express themselves and feel safe with
us. Yeah, thank you somuch. I really appreciate it. I
hope that you enjoyed listening to thisconversation that I had with Aaron Robinson of
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