EPISODE 40: Your Life Wellness Legacy w/ Aaron Robinson

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In an episode that plays like an open letter between a Mother and Son, this heartfelt conversation between host Lisane Basquiat and guest Aaron Robinson speaks to the journey of creating and defining your life wellness legacy. Join Lisane and Aaron as they discuss the life-changing power of meditation, self-discovery, and sharing your gifts with the world. Aaron Robinson is a meditation coach and the host of Opening Presence - a podcast created to aid those on the path of self-realization. Over the last 4 years, he has dedicated himself to creating spaces for healing, personal growth, and accountability through mindfulness workshops and public talks for corporations, non-profits, schools, and communities. Realizing that most people struggle with consistency in their meditation practice, Aaron has created a modern framework for beginners to apply whenever they fall out of their routine. Through collective experiences we see that showing up isn’t just half of the battle, it’s the whole damn thing.

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Hi there, this is Lissan boss. Yeah, they host of the shaping

freedom podcast. I am so excited
to share my conversation with my next guest

with you. We talked about so
many juicy and needy things during this conversation

and I know you're going to love
it and I know that you'll also walk

away from this conversation feeling as uplifted, as grounded, as centered and just

as filled with joy as I am. This gentleman really talked. If I

had to boil it down to what
we talked about, it really was about

life, wellness and in this conversation
we talked about the relationship between mothers and

sons and the relationships between, you
know, human being, men and women.

We talked about meditation and on being
connected with yourself and the journey that

we're all on during our time on
this planet. I really have a tremendous

amount of respect and admiration for this
person and for the work that he's doing

standing up and teaching and preaching and
sharing. So, without further Ado,

I would love for you to listen
to my conversation with Aaron Robinson. Hi,

Aaron, Hello, has on happy
New Year. Let's start with that.

Yeah, we made it, made
it. Yeah, so far we're

here. So I was really excited
to learn about you and I was introduced

to you by Tyler, I think, from Straw hot media. He produces

my podcast today. Produce Your podcast
as well? They don't, but I

grew up with tyler so made him
go back and since we've kind of like

gone on our own paths and I
started my own podcast, he was somebody

that I reached out to to be
guests on other people's podcasts. So,

okay, that's kind of part of
the growth strategy, is reaching new audiences.

Tyler knows the coolest, Frea good
people. Anybody that's Tylot puts in

front of me, I'm like,
Oh shit, I really like this person.

I want to get to know this
person. I went and did some

digging around on on the internets to
try to, you know, get a

I don't like to get too deep
into things. I just like to get

a feel, you know, for
a person ahead of time, just so

I can kind of put that into
my awareness and kind of wait to see

what kind of questions start to bubble
up for me relating to you. And

so let's just go ahead and get
started. I'm interested to see what you

found. I found that you really
liked lamburger is, that you don't need

meet anymore and that you spent some
time at Lake Timothy. That I'd never

heard of, and so I looked
it up. I'm like, that's a

hundred miles away from where I am. That is Lambert lamburgers, that I

could go for a lamburger right now
actually, because I dabble in the vegetarian

place, but I'm eating meat now
really. Yeah, that's interesting. I

actually I've been vegetar or Pesketarian for
ten years now, and last summer,

during the summer of two thousand and
twenty, I just started to feel really,

really depleted and like my body wanted
something and I walked into a butcher,

you know, store close to me
and I'm like, I haven't had

meat nine years. I need a
piece of really beautiful me right something like

that. It's going to be really
gentle on my system. And I had

a piece of meat, you know, and I've done it maybe three or

four times since and yeah, you
know, it feels good when I do

it and then I'm over it for
a minute and you know, it's all

good. Yeah, I like the
allowing ourselves those things, without the guilt,

though, like hold the you re
please. Yeah, what is that

about? I mean it's like do
what feels good to your body has wisdom

and your body, I will tell
you what what to eat when you're really

listening to your body and not to
the party yourself that's telling you to eat

all the other crappy things. So, Aaron, Um, I know that

meditation, from what I can tell
and from what I've heard, is a

big part of what you do or
how you support people, but I'd love

to know, I'd love to kind
of back into that by who are you?

I want to know who you are, what I am, how I

yeah, yeah, that's what I
want to know. Let's start there.

Yeah, you okay? Well,
I am a thirty two year old,

thirty, almost thirty three next month, person from Carlsbad, California. You're

based in Carlada, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so, born

and raised in Carls bad, as
you can have you as you've experienced,

it's pretty much an ideal place to
be in the world, and it's fatful,

secretly jealous of all of my friends
who lived elsewhere and then landed in

Carl's bed because it like allows them
to fulfill their sense of adventure and like.

And then you chose the right place
and then you get to start a

whole new life in a beautiful place, but differently, in a different sense.

I grew up there, and I
feel like everybody's hometown is everybody's hometown.

So if you grew up in Montana, you have the same relationship to

your hometown, or similar relationship,
where the people that you grow up with

kind of keep you in a box
per se, and you get familiar to

the box in your like, since
I'm going to be in this box,

let me doodle on the walls,
and you think that you're being really creative

with the limitations you've kind of been
handed, with the things you've learned from

your parents and societal structures and all
that kind of stuff. And growing up,

I was an athlete playing baseball,
and that was kind of where I

expressed myself the most, was in
sports, and then also art as well.

I was really quiet and shy,
not having a lot of, I

guess, like friends or family that
can like articulate these inner experiences that I

was having as a young kid.
I would just I felt like, oh,

nobody, nobody else is talking about
these things that I'm feeling, so

let it, let me just keep
them to myself. And I think that's

something that I and knowingly like just
kind of kept inside for a very,

very, very, very long time
going through high school and college and feeling

like the sense of ankst that I
had to kind of like conform to these

offbeat rhythm patterns of friendships and in
groups and stuff. It felt like I

had to like almost like act and
kind of just go along to get along

and not really feel heard to what
my truth is. Um So, I

graduated college with a degree in like
arts and technology, which is like music

and video and stuff of that nature, always kind of being a multidisciplinary I'm

just trying to figure, figure and
tinker things out. And then after college

I was coming to that point,
I was like twenty five, twenty five,

twenty six, where it was just
like I had had enough and there

was just enough compiled angst and suffering
that was like coupled with just like fear

of like actually stepping out and doing
things. That where I finally was like

I'm going to move to I got
to move away to figure out who I

am. So when I was twenty
six and two thousand and sixteen, I

moved to Portland, Oregon, which
I am now, where I'm at now.

While I guess it's hard to like
sum up like a childhood with like

contrasting parenting styles and stuff, but
I think we'll be able to weave that

in there. But when I was
moved up here, just before I moved

up here, my mother was diagnosed
with breast cancer. So my first two

years here she was struggling with breast
cancer and I would speak with her on

the phone on my walks with my
dog and like it was is interesting because

it was like like the first time
that I had broken away from the nest,

like for Real, like I went
to college, but it was at

cal State San Marcos like right over
the hill from carls bad, so wasn't

like I went anywhere, but this
was like my first time really going out

into the world and my mom was
having a tough time battling cancer and fought

like brilliantly and we lost her in
two thousand and seventeen. My brother Ryan

and I, who lives in San
Diego, still and yeah, thank you,

and and that was like that that
was the initiation. That was like

the spark for me to really hit
rock bottom, because her whole existence was

in service to to me. Regardless
of that was like the intention was there,

but maybe like the methods of attachment
kind of didn't work in the ways

that she had wanted them. Like
I hadn't really had to do anything on

my own, like literally, like
my whole life, she was always like

my safety blanket and I never knew
if I could actually do things in the

world. Like like I remember just
being in school and she would like I

would just not finish my homework and
she would just finish my homework for me,

and I always knew I had her
there to to to take the baton

pass the finish line when I just
decided I didn't want to do something anymore.

So losing her was obviously in for
a lot of people. They're in

like the the group of people that
have experience loss. Like we all know

that. It like knocked you two
to your knees and it's like you're presented

this opportunity. It's like it's clear
as day. Could either the left or

right, like do I want to
like dwell in this or do I want

to use this as motivation to move
forward into to really act actively, like

express the gratitude that we have for
the lessons that we learned and and and

still continue the relationship through a new, chosen path. And that's how I

landed on meditation. was that it
was a year after passing and I was

like I took finally took that real
look. I was like Yo, like

life isn't changing, you're still drinking
at these bars and clubs and like you

have no problem running that baton to
the finish line every single night. Like

yeah, those are the hard conversations. Yeah, what am I what am

I doing right now? And I
really had that, I had that moment

where I was like all right,
what am I willing to do? And

I was like Oh, like meditations
always been kind of just like on the

side. Like when I was nineteen, nineteen or twenty, early S,

I read super rich by Russell Simmons, who like in the middle of his

book he said like put the book
down now and and go meditate, and

then I was introduced to another book
called Eastern Body, Western mind a couple

years later. That talked about the
Chakra System. So it's always kind of

the language for my internal world was
like really in arms reach, and this

was like the first time where I
was like, I'm going to commit to

this thing and and see if it
actually works. And, Lo and behold,

it does when you have consistency.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you

know, I lost my mother's physical
presence as well back in two thousand and

eight, and it is a very
painful obviously, and also a very interesting

journey to go on because it the
loss of a person that you love or

the loss of someone that you're connected
to brings you to a new reflection to

yourself, you know, like sticks
this mirror up where you start to negotiate

things and process the things that have
happened. So I share that as well,

and it's an ongoing lifetime journey,
you know, because the person's there,

you know, the physical presence isn't
there, but they certainly are there

and and it's a relationship that continues
to grow. Oh Yeah, you know,

throw out as you're growing in the
physical you know, here you're kind

of growing alongside that your perspective of
that person and the ways that they related

to you, in the ways that
they can continue to relate to you on

your journey and then I have a
son and his name is Joseph and he's

a grownass man, and when you
were telling the part of your story about

the relationship that you had with your
mom, it reminded me of this moment

that I had with my son where
he was in his early s at that

point and he was just like trying
to figure things out right, and he

big, bold, create, courageous
dude, super creative, and I had

had a similar he was my firstborn
and I had had a similar kind of

relationship with him, or a similar
dynamic where I wanted to care for him

so much that in a lot of
ways, I took that away from him

right with my daughter it's completely different. She's like you never had to get

away, which shit, but with
my son it was that way. But

I remember, as you were talking, I remember this moment with my son

where Joseph and I were sitting in
the living room at my house back in

on the East Coast and I knew
he was struggling, you know, he

was kind of out, he was
out of the House already and he was

struggling and, you know, trying
to, you know, make his way

and I remember this moment that I
looked at him and I said, you

know, I really want to help
you, but I know that I can't

and that's really hard. And he
looked at me and he said thank you,

because what that means is that you
believe in me. He believe that

I can do this on my own. And it was like a mind fuck

because all of a sudden I was
like, Oh shit, like I was

doing something from the perspective of wanting
my son to know that I was there

for him and wanting to also infuse
that feeling of you know, there's someone

in this world for a black man, you know there's I'm here, and

what I was doing was, in
some ways taking away his power versus empowering

him or letting him know that I
believed in him. And so it was

really a course correction for me in
that moment, and so I wanted to

share that both to give you that
opposite side of the conversation from a mother,

and then I also wanted to share
it because we are talking to a

large audience of people and for those
mothers and sons who are out there who

are going through the same journey,
because I think it's popular, I think

it's it's a it happens right.
And so you know, sometimes, when

we're trying to help, what we're
really doing is getting in the way of

another person's growth and journey and their
ability to stand more firmly on their feet.

So, for all the MOM's of
the dudes out there, back back

up lane. Yeah, jumping all
up into their stuff. Let them know

what you need to. Let them
know and let them grow and show you

who they are. Yeah, let
them fail, like that's the thing.

It's like you can't protect your sons
or daughters or children, firstborns specifically,

but you can't protect us from failing, and that's like, thank you for

sharing that, because that's that's a
conversation I never got to have with my

mom, like even like to the
end, it was still just like her

willing to like die on the sword, and I'm just like no, no,

like you focused on me too much, like you're in your deathbed with

zero energy and you're still trying to
look after me when it's like no,

like the reason why, like all
of it happened was because she was never

willing to put herself first, and
that was something that I'm like, I'm

looking at as a lesson I'm just
like I can't put anybody before me.

Ever, like I can't. I
can't do that, because that means it's

going to be depleting me and I'm
not going to be able to show up

for others in the way that I
know that I can. And creating boundaries

is something that, like, I've
still like like have to learn, but

it's still it's something that I'm very
aware of of when I'm not prioritizing my

energy, because I've I've seen what
it what happens when we put others first

and we don't connect to ourselves,
and in a way that's respectful. Absolutely,

it's kind of that. It's you
know that scripture love your neighbor as

you love yourself, and I've said
this before, but it's like we focus

so much on, or people focus
so much on the love your neighbor part.

Right, like the way that I'm
going to show and demonstrate my love

for you is by taking something away
from myself, and none of no,

that's not love. That's a whole
different thing. Right. It's the as

you love yourself part, because if
you focus on the relationship that you're in

with yourself and if you focus on
what healthy love looks like, you know,

toward yourself. Then you can truly
show up for another person and show

them how to love you through your
ability to love yourself. And I think

this sack, this tendency to be
overly sacrificial as a way of showing your

love really winds up almost being a
weapon versus you, versus armor for the

person, most definitely, because then
you're responsible for what I don't do.

HMM, right, and how unfair
is that? Yeah, right, yeah,

I think it's all just like learned
behaviors. It's just, yeah,

I'M gonna become a martyr for this
exactly. That's the word. Cause,

this cause that I'm fighting for,
and it just like, you know,

we don't have to do that,
and I think that's the thing. Is

like looking for new solutions and and
we don't have to do it like our

parents did it, we don't have
to do it like society tells us,

and I think that's where, like
the practice and relationship to self kind of

prevails over everything else, because,
like, whenever I look out into the

world and there's all these different messages
and it's like what should I believe?

What should I latch onto it's like, I don't care about none of that,

like I'm gonna refer back to myself
every single time and whatever. Yeah,

whatever comes up for me is what
I'm rolling with, and that's something

that I was way too willing to
negotiate and just, Oh, that group

of people think that all right,
cool, I do too, just so

I can be cool with everybody.
And it's like I don't care about being

cool with anybody, like right,
like like outcast me all you want,

but it's like I'm going to be
having a funnel party by myself, then

absolutely, because if you're not cool
with yourself, yeah, where's the party?

You know, yeah, there is
men right, I like that.

All Right, carry your story on. Let's see where else, because you're

stories bringing up some great stuff.
Okay, so, after experiencing like this

deep, deep trauma and like,
I think, the I think I'm still

living out like that, that second
part, like coming through developing a meditation

practice and changing a lot, like
like seeing how I showed up for myself,

change my relationship to self, changed, my relationship to other people changed,

the feedback that I was getting from
the world changed. I was more

open, more willing to laugh,
more willing to take risks getting rewarded for

like these changes, in willingness to
show up and be the new person in

new rooms and wanting to reach out
in a new place. Like I I

am a creative person, like I
do like photography and I paint and I

like have all these skills. And
in like connecting with people's like the number

the number one thing, and like
having the time to heal first, but

then identify the things that are like
nonnegotiables in my life, and in seeking

coherency and alignment within my relationships and
starting to see the energy that I was

putting out, like I would get
like a like a feedback of similar energy.

And I'd started to create like a
community in Portland. So that process

is still ongoing. And and since
like creating a practice, I started welcoming

people into like my meditation practice on
like instagram and stuff like that. was

kind of like as a beginner meditator
a few years ago, and I still

consider myself a beginner. I just
would be online and just be like Yo,

like, I know most people don't
meditate, but here, come on,

come meditate with me, and that's
something that I had done consistently over

the last couple of years is just
like, let me just show you that.

It doesn't look like this this blond
hair, blue eyed, white girl

named Brittany that found yoga and then
is now like getting paid hundreds of thousands

of dollars. And it's just like
there's this one mode. It's like the

Guru and India at the Himalayas,
levitating with a long white beard. It's

like it, only it looks like
two different things. It looks like the

eastern way or like the appropriated Western
way. And I decided to let Yo,

like there's not a lot of people
that look like me in this space.

Like, not consciously, it was
just more so like I've experienced like

an inner freedom that I had never
experienced before, and I know a lot

of people are struggling. So let
me show you the way. I'm not

going to do it for you,
but this is in a doorway to experience

yourself in a way that you hadn't
before. I love that and I did

notice that. Um, and I
keep thinking, I keep telling myself,

like just do one online, you
know, and I haven't gotten around to

doing that yet, but I say
you did as like that's bold. I

like that. I like that a
lot. Why Yoga? I'm sorry,

why meditation? Who? I don't
know. It was just it was like

I've done other things. I think
it's because I've denied myself for so long.

There was just like Yo, like
you know, you got this gift,

and I don't know if it was
fear or aversion to truth, but

it's it's the thing that that finally
like work, that actually worked and created

a level of like trust and self
that was absent and that that I didn't

have for a long time. Like
growing up, I didn't have trust in

my intuition, like I would always
look to other people to validate what I

was feeling. Like I recall like
going snowboarding with friends and we be driving

home and like we're like Oh,
like, which way do we need to

go? And I was the one
person in the car that was like,

Oh, yeah, we need to
go that way, like kind of quietly,

and then everyone overruled me in the
car and we kept going straight and

then like forty minutes down the road, they're like hey, guys, we're

all going the wrong way, so
we have to go back the way that

I had initially like said, but
but not having like that Real, real

like like confidence, to be like
Yo, we're going this way because I

know what the Hell I'm talking about, like I would just I would allow

other people's influences to kind of override
what I knew in my heart to be

true. And I think connecting to
that coherence is something that meditation, that

gave me, and that's why I
continue to meditate, because it's like,

Oh, like the divine, the
other side of this material, conscious,

like life that we're living as,
where all sims and avatars like moving into

the world, that other side of
like spaciousness and communing with God, like

that's more real to me than anything
in the world, and I still get

away from it and I'm just like, when I come back, I was

like, Yo, why do I
ever leave this place? Like it gives

me, it gives me everything that
I've ever wanted, but then I get

seduced by the material and get caught
up in things. But to know that

I have this reservoir of energy,
of coherence, of love, of of

confidence that's always here. I just
need to sit and dedicate these thirty minutes

every morning or evening and just finding
time and prioritizing that over everything, everything

else just falls in the line.
And once you experience that for yourselves,

because nobody can do it for you, like that's that's where we're actually moving

and part of my mission is to
create a space where people can be beginners

and learn how to construct a practice
for their lifetime like this and something that

you do for a season. It's
like no, like for the rest of

my life I'm going to have a
consistent meditation practice, and that's like the

most daunting thing in the world.
It's like starting a new diet for your

for your soul. HMM. But
yeah, like trying to walk people through

and doing it with them, like
that's the thing I do. I do

like workshops with like businesses and like
creative agencies and stuff, and like there's

always like like a company wide email
that says, hey, we're going to

do this meditation workshop with this guy, Aaron, and a company of two

hundred people, and then like six
people show up for like the meditation and

an out of those six, two
people are really excited to get this thing

going. And practice comes at your
own time, but it's always going to

be available and I want to kind
of be like the sign guy at the

corner, saying like ninety nine,
set me take this way, meditation.

There, he's killing it all that
corner, like he's flipping that side.

I'm still gonna be there, like
I'm gonna be there, like saying,

like here's the way and it's inward
and it doesn't have to be this complex

thing. It's just it's just,
yeah, making it a priority. Yeah,

and I like the word practice.
You know, when you really like

stop, because we hear it a
lot, right, and if you really

stop to really think about it,
it's a practice, meaning it's something that

you're getting in and do. It, getting into and doing on a routine

basis. That's it. And it's
not about the perfection of it. It's

more about surrendering to yourself, you
know, coming into integration with yourself.

Yeah, there's no goal, like
that's the thing. It's like what do

I get? People are like,
what do I get out of this thing?

And if it's not quantifiable, like
if it's not like I can't see

it written out on the screen,
like it's the thing. That's like I've

changed so much, like I'm a
different person than I was five years ago,

but like my change is all internal. It's like you go to the

gym and you get definition, but
it's like when you meditate, you don't

get like abs on your forehead or
there's no there's no like gold star that

you get to like walk around with, but it's an energy and you feel

it and people feel it on you. Absolutely. But yeah, what's different

about you today versus five years ago? More handsome. Why would you be

more handsome? What did you do? I think just being more present and

and I think that. I think
that quality. And so it's like I

still go up and down and there's
times where I'm not feeling great, but

I think being on like the home
team, like team me, like,

people respect that. Like people don't
respect like somebody who doesn't see like their

own gifts and and I don't know, just don't respect themselves to that level.

Not to say like arrogance or cockiness, is just like, Oh,

I finally started loving myself, and
I think that's something that that resonates and

people want to be around. So
I think once the relationship with self was

healed, I think was able to
like bring in the gifts that the other

people had waiting for me, with
with smiles and with wanting to do things

like for each other and stuff like
that. But yeah, and I've been

going to the gym more. So
look at you work it out, the

mind, the emotion, the body, all of it, because that's really

takes right. Like you can go
out and do all the you know,

the APP work or you know,
Peck work that you want, and at

the end of the day, it's
like turning that light on inside is really

the thing that gives you that glow. Yeah, that's where they that's the

handsome I. Yeah, it's referring
to. Yeah, it's kind of like

just like a full court press,
because now it's like all right, this

is meditation, is what I do
to kind of feel at peace, like

all right, from this place.
And then there's just all these different layers

of practice, essentially, like whether
that's like diet and paying attention to like

gut, microbiome and all these different
things that we have the power to like

turn these levers and figure out.
Like you're saying earlier, is just like

being pescetarian and realizing that you needed
to eat some some meat. Like those

are the things that are in our
control, that we can make these decisions

and pull all these levers so I
think engaging with this practice in its entirety,

it's starting to like expand into more
of like a generalize like life wellness

practice. or It's all right,
I know I like waking up in the

morning because it makes me feel purposeful. All right, cool five o'clock alarm

and like I had. I like
going to the gym, using the Sauna,

I like trying new things, like
new supplements and all that kind of

stuff, and it all kind of
compiles into creating the lifestyle that I'm meant

to live, as opposed to somebody
selling me this dream that you can buy

on clearance. I'm just like,
I don't want to do that. I

want to do this over here,
I want to travel, I want to

like have deep relationships and figuring it
out what it is that we actually want

and then just going towards that,
no matter how much the world wants to

rip you out of this space.
Because it's like I'm like fairly like entrepreneurial,

but there's still like a part of
me that's like willing to sacrifice or

willing to just negotiate and become a
part of another cog in the wheel,

and it's like that part of me
I'm just like trying to like trying to

kill, like I just like I
don't want that, you know, want

I don't want. I don't want
that part of me that's going to be

like yes, sir, like no, ma'am, like like what do I

have to do? Know, all
right, and somebody else dictating what I

do with my time and my my
energy. It's like I'm here to like

serve people through example, and if
I'm not doing that, that I'm not

fulfilling my highest calling. And and
there's a part of me that's like that

consistent check looks really good and that
Dada and I got to make these decisions

and stuff. But but being here
right now with you is proof enough to

continue to stay on this path of
self realization. Well, there's something there,

I think, that I love.
I wrote down you referring to it

as life wellness, you know,
because that really is what it's about.

It's like we write these goals about
like what we're going to do and what

we're going to accomplish, and those
things are great, like I love to

accomplish things to thing, you know, and it's really about the how,

right, how you're going to live, you know, how you're going to

set yourself up for success physically,
mentally, emotionally and spiritually so that you

can do those things, are accomplish
those things from a more authentic place,

you know. Yeah, HMM.
Yeah, the authenticity part of it is

like the driving force, because it's
like what it like if you don't,

if you can't be yourself, then
you're you're investing in the wrong like reservoir.

It's like you're investing in this thing
that's not you at the end of

the day, and it's like you're
investing in your true self. It's like

it just doesn't get old. Where
are you going to be in five years?

So where do you want like fight? Let's say it's what you're we

at two thousand and twenty two,
so January, two thousand and twenty seven,

Aaron, what where would you like
to be? What do you want

to be talking about? Okay,
five years, I will be outside of

the outside of the United States,
for sure, maybe Portugal or something.

Portugal seems to be the place.
I've never been there, but I need

there are many people that have gone
and a few people that have actually relocated

there, and I hear it is
amazing. Yeah, I had getting self

there. Yeah, I think like
five years, like like the dream is

like financial freedom, like that's like
a that's a lesson for me, is

creating financial freedom for myself and not
being tied to anything. Like freedom is

of the highest priority. And how
do you create freedom? Is With a

level of discipline and expressing that discipline
across different areas of my life. As

far as what I'm talking about,
like, I don't know, it's always

been like a like a fluid process, as new things are happening in the

world and then new solutions kind of
bubble up. As far as like what

what do we need to do,
like in this current climate, I identified

that I needed to speak out more
and in voice my opinion and not be

afraid, especially like I have a
platform and it's like no, I need

like I don't need anybody, anything
left to assumption, like I need to

say exactly what I mean to say. Yeah, behind it, no matter

what the repercussions are. So I
think ascending along that trajectory and creating and

being able to support communities that are
interested in those types of things. As

far as figuring out what each of
us wants, and not everybody wants the

same thing and how do we go
about doing those things and being a resource

to one another in that in that
space? And it's a very like lonely

space at a lot of the times
when it's like there's groups of people that

are just like working at this place
or that aren't going to be able to

just like get up and go to
Mexico City for a week. And that's

like what I envision for myself is
I, Oh, I think it'd be

fun to do a workshop in Guam. Let's go to Guam. Yeah,

so freedom from what you talked about
freedom. What would you want it?

What does that mean? I don't
think it's I don't think it's freedom from

yeah, I think freedom from like
the the smaller self, freedom from like

falling back into old patterns. I
think it's like, in a sense,

it's just healing all of the wounds
in realizing like my own like true potential,

and I think it's I think it's
freedom from from selflimiting beliefs, freedom

from societal norms. Not to say
that I'm like start a hippie cult or

anything like that, but it's like
I like I want my mind and body

to be independent from any type of
life circumstance, and I think that that

coincides with just like spiritual growth and
being forthright with my practice and then investing

in my relationships and having tough conversations
that I a lot of the times a

void, but there is no like
blueprint for it. It just like I

know the things that I need to
do and it's like sometimes like I'm very

willing to to spearhead these transformational or
initiations for myself, which I've done,

but then some of them are a
lot harder to initiate where I'll just kick

it down the road for like I'll
get to that in six months. Oh,

six months turns to six years and
it's like Yo, like why did

I like, why don't I just
do this thing now, because that will

grant me the freedom that I desire
sooner. But why do I kick kicking

these things down? And I think
that's kind of the more behavioral psychological things

that I that I need to or
that I'm obviously aware of, that need

to have action behind the the realizing
part of it. If there was something

that you could have told the guy
who was sitting in the car back when

you were I don't know how old, you were not really speaking your truth

or not standing for yourself. What
would you say to him to that?

Errand, Oh, it's not their
fault. MMM, yeah, yeah,

and it's I think that's that's probably
like the lesson that still like resonates to

this day, like if I'm not
treated or receiving what I feel like I'm

giving, because I feel like I
give a lot and I'll downplay the energy

that I give. HMM. Like
even in just like conversations and stuff,

I've been able to, like I
said before, like create boundaries and stuff,

but just like like they may not
be able to see it. And

yes, there's ways to kind of
like using the market place in technology to

allow people to create visibility. But
like can they feel and understand like my

value, in my worth? Sometimes
that's not up to me, and I

think like knowing that it's not their
fault that they can't see me and the

way that I know or that it's
like it's like blatantly obvious to me and

the people that love me, but
like some people just can't. It's just

like it's not their fault that they
they don't have the technology or optical hardware

to to perceive me in this way. But yeah, that's that's probably it.

What I love about that is I
think that so often people hop into

the blame game. Something happens and
it's like it's their fault, you know,

it's not my fault, that their
fault, you know, and it

takes away from the ability to really
see what's going on, you know,

and if you can come from a
place of like okay, what's really going

on here? Yeah, it can
save it's say. First of all,

it's so much more efficient because when
you get into that blame game and finger

pointing game, then it's really just
a matter of like is it your fault?

Is it my fault? Right,
and that's we're fighting about, and

the thing that's really going on gets
lost because it book. It's not as

important as, you know, me
proving to you that you're wrong and you're

trying to do the same back.
So I really love that. That's you

know, that's the thought, or
that would be the approach, because after

you determine that it's not, there's
no faults, you know, then you

can really get to a solution.
HMM. Yeah, I love that.

Like even when in instances when it
clearly is somebody else's fault. I'm going

to like wear the blanket of accountability
and just be like no, it's still

it's still your fault, like you
created this situation, like whatever way I

can get into taking accountability for everything
that occurs in the experience. Like that's

like that's like it becomes like second
nature after you kind of it kind of

feels uncomfortable. What first, because
you're just like now, they're always the

wrong, like it was obviously them, like they spilt the beans, like

it's all over them, and it's
just like no, it's like no,

you spilt those beans, like and
it's a almost feel kind of like weird

for doing that. But I think, I don't know, I think it

allows you to create more compassion for
others and yourself, because you realize that

you're not diminished from it. Like
that's the thing with when you take responsibility.

It's like it allows you to like
in brace more of your humanity,

in your fallibility. It's like Yo, like that I'm just as capable as

they were to mess this thing up. So how about I don't judge them

or myself, but I'll take this
burden on right, and it's, I

think, the growth is in the
accountability, you know, because in that

you can say, like using that
as an example if we can, it's

like, yeah, they went forty
minutes out of the way and had to

circle back and they didn't listen to
you. And if you're taking accountability,

then you can really have that conversation
with yourself to say, like hey,

when I know something, I gotta
stand for that, you know, and

it's my responsibility, or I'm going
to take accountability for my part, my

role as a passenger in this car, and I'm going to speak up for

what I know to be the truth, because that's where there's something to grow

from. There's no growth, there's
no progress in, you know, getting

out of that car and saying,
Oh, it's their fault, they didn't

listen to me and they could have
saved me eighty minutes. M Yeah,

and I think sorry to the like. This is like really like juicy,

but it's like in that just projecting
in that moment, in the past,

though. But then it's like,
as the driver of the car or the

people who didn't listen, they're so
used to being kind of like ridiculed afterwards.

But then if there's no if there's
no response, and it's like there's

just silence and acceptance and it's just
like, oh, like, he's not

mad, and they were like waiting
to get punished, which is why I

like they make those types of decisions
in the first place, and they're just

sitting there like, oh, he's
not mad, okay, like I can

relax, and we like nothing happen, and it's like why are we going

to be hung up on on things
that don't matter? And I think,

I think that creates more trust and
openness between people. Oh yeah, that's

that's very yeah, humans are crazy. That's like, give us at our

how how like we unlocked a lot
of like really like program like stuff like

comp that's what it is. Yeah, thank giving people space to hear their

own bullshit. HMM, you know, and I have been you know,

there have been times in my life
where I have been totally so kind of

caught up in the moment of something
that I can like hop all over it.

And then when you do that,
you literally cloak that person in your

emotional response. First is giving that
person the opportunity to actually feel into that

empty space, you know, where
you can sit and say, wow,

let me check me out in this
and that person can say, wow,

you know, let me check myself
out, like what do I what do

I need to do differently? So
allowing yourself the opportunity to have those conversations

with yourself and to grow, and
also allowing other people to do the same,

giving that to them also. Yeah, breach, we're preaching together.

We're coming down to the end of
our time and and I could talk,

I can. I could talk to
you for hours. We probably could come

back and pick another topic and do
this again at some point. What do

you want? What do you want
the MOM's of black sons to know?

Oh, Oh, wow, that
we love you, even though we don't

tell you. That's a good way. It's it's it's like ingrained and we

are so like. We are you, like we are a part of you,

like the the same things that you're
feeling, the relationships that you've had

with your parents and stuff like that, that feeling, like we have that

in us to like we feel that
same exact way, like that depth,

like it's all there and and you
are a part of us. So I

think when when you all black mothers, like feel certain things, just know

that like like we do too.
Thank you for that I'll received that as

a black mother. What do you
want? Black men like yourself? What

do you have to say to black
men like yourself? The other kings in

the kingdom? What do you have
to say to them? Turn up now,

I'm playing. Turn up for real. Turn up makes your crown,

damn it. Yeah, no,
for real. I think it. I

think it goes back to just like
the accountability thing. It's like, yeah,

we can blame white people for everything, and there's a even in my

life. I'm just like Yo,
like I should be like the biggest like

meditation like dude in the world and
I should be like on complex news,

like Aaron Robinson Meditation. I share
hold of holes of retreat in Hawaii every

dad at a like and like whatever. But it's like you can be yeah,

I will, I will, like
it's all good, it's going to

happen, but it's like there's so
many like scapegoats and it's all true.

Like the skateboards, like it's all
true, like the history, like we

all know, like and I'm like
learning more about like just like black history.

Like every day with social media,
like new memes come up and I'm

just like they did what they did. What? Yeah, are you serious

again today? Yeah, it's crazy
and just like like in there's some there's

there's a reason to be mad,
and it's like there's a reason to be

hurt, there's a reason to be
angry, there's a reason to inflict violence

and to take the accountability and realize
it's like, okay, if I do

that, like it's only going to
hurt me more, it's only going to

hurt like the people I love more. Okay, that's not that's not like.

That's not how we're going to move. But to address these pain,

this pain that we do have,
in the ways that we know how to

and realize that's our responsibility, is
addressing our own pain, whether that is

going to therapy, whether that is
taking frustrations out at the gym, starting

or daily meditation practice and really connect
with our true selves and not not looking

at football players and rappers as like, like the leaders of our society,

which is BS, like like some
rappers are doing great things, great for

grant, yeah, but it's like
Yo, it's like you gotta really connect

to yourself and let that be like
the baseline for everything else to build on

top of. Is like that deep, Deep Love and connection for ourselves,

and then relationships to everybody else and
community and society will happen. But it's

wake up in the morning and spend
ten minutes of meditation and then, and

then you can bless the world with
your presence. Absolutely. Okay, not

to leave anyone out. What do
you have to say to the sisters out

there about the relationships between men and
women? I mean, y'all could teach

me. Yeah, I think just
whatever. I don't doubt. I don't

know. I think it's just like
expressing like your full selves, like without

like placing expectations on on men.
I think there's a lot of expectations,

some of them justified, but I
think, yeah, I think allowing yourselves

to be silly and and fun,
if you're fun, and not looking like

at each person as like a job
interview like type of thing, like how

is he gonna do this? It's
like he'll tell you, like he'll tell

you with his actions, and not
condemning an entire group of people off of

one experience. It's like there's there's
a lot of depth and dimension to all

of us, and I think it's
it's recognizing that for everybody and answer.

So did it. Did I answer
the question or did I step around it?

Preaching today are and I heard,
I heard the message, the sermon

king who do I guess I could
speak in generalities where I'm just like,

I don't want to speak directly to
it, but I could, I can

know, I think, one paint
stroke and hit it all. Do you

like the answer? Is there something
you want to add to the answer?

or I'll keep that to myself?
Okay, fair enough. Thank you so

much. I have loved this conversation. I really appreciate this conversation and what

I really appreciate is seeing a black
man out there showing people that there is

such power in selfcompassion and in giving
yourself a moment and in connecting to nature

and connecting to God and connecting to
yourself, and that that is one of

the primary ways for people to really
strengthen themselves and the impact that they have

on this planet. And so thank
you so much for your contribution to that.

I went on to your instagram and
I took a look and I was

at I like instantly. The energy
of it is like really straight direct and

I love the fact that you're on
there as yourself, you know, and

like you said, it's not always
like being, you know, the long

white beard and you know, with
an incense and all of that. You

know, you're a human being having
an experience and meditation and consciousness looks a

lot of different ways, and so
thank you for showing up, you know,

for the folks that you are,
the folks that are following you and

that appreciate you, you know,
in the way that you do, because

you're teaching and you're preaching. Thank
you now. Thank you so much for

having me. This is amazing,
like these are the the conversations that are

like replenishing, because it's like we
go through like life and it's like how

rare is it for us to really
like connect like this? That's like we've

had one. This is our second
conversation ever. Like we talked for like

fifteen minutes and then it's just like
the ability and trust that we have in

one another already from the jump.
I'm just extremely grateful for because this is

like right here, is like what
I lived for and what I'm here for,

and thank you for providing an opportunity
for me to share my story and

speak with your audience. And,
yeah, I look forward to speaking with

you again. Yeah, absolutely.
Where can people find you? People can

find me on instagram at Aaron Robinson, that is a Ron Robiso in,

and then my website is www dot
opening presencecom. Presence with the sea opening

ASENCE. I also have a podcast
called opening presence with Aaron Robinson that is

on all streaming platform spotify, apple
podcasts, any of those other ones that

you lit may listen to. But
yeah, it's a really cool soul expression

where I talked to artist entrepreneurs about
this journey that we all have and kind

of shedding light on how everybody's journey
is different and that there's no rule book

for how you do any one thing. It's you figuring it out with the

resources that we all have, and
most of the time the people that are

in our inner circle have a lot
of wisdom that we can tap into if

we just kind of set them up
to to express themselves and feel safe with

us. Yeah, thank you so
much. I really appreciate it. I

hope that you enjoyed listening to this
conversation that I had with Aaron Robinson of

opening presence. Please be sure to
follow him. He is up to great

things and I expect him to continue
to grow his positive impact and implement influence

on the people on this planet.
As always, I'm so grateful that you

keep coming back to listen and really
appreciate your rating and reviewing the podcast,

because it really does help. Until
next time,
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