The BOM : Episode 11: Marco Tarabini, PhD

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Continuing our education theme, our guest today is educator, researcher, and author Marco Tarabini. Marco is a mechanical systems engineer, professor of Mechanical and Thermal measurement at Politecnico di Milano, author of more than 100 scientific publications, and coordinator of two Joint Research Centers. He studies vibration in humans and measurement uncertainty in harsh environments. On today’s episode we discuss Marco’s background in education and mechanical and thermal measurement, his mission to connect small manufacturing enterprises with his university and its students, and his vast data research.

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You describe yourself as a measurement man. Why is measurement so important? A
lot of Kelvin. That was muchmore important than anybody else in for for
science. I was stating that there'sno science without measurement. Just imagine of
not being able to understanding which isyour body weight? How can you understand
if you're getting fatter or not,or not being able of measuring the time,
you cannot even fix an appointment.Or at what time do you do
we meet? All our life isbased on on measurement. And if you
want to describe something, you canjust describe it with subjective ideas. But
what subjectives? Is Not saying goodfrom a point of view of the scientists
or otherwise you need to provide somesome numbers, some data. In the
industry, probably the data is nowget more relevance than the products themselves.
So, UM, after ten yearsago, data had no value. If
you think nowadays about what's important inin in a business, with numbers you
can describe almost everything, and havingthat type about people makes you aware of
what they need. Having that typeabout machine makes you aware of when you
need to change something, if youshould to replace something. So that's that's
all about measurement. There's a sayingon the other side of the pond that
goes you cannot improve what you cannotmeasure. Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Welcome back to the bomb. Continuingour education theme, my guest today is
educator, researcher and author Marco Terrabini. Marco is a mechanical systems engineer,
professor of mechanical and thermal measurement atpolytechnically Milano, author of more than one
hundred scientific publications and coordinator of notone but two joint research centers. He
studies vibration in humans and measurement uncertaintyin harsh environments. On today's episode we
discussed Marco's background and education and mechanicaland thermal measurement, his mission to connect
small manufacturing enterprises with his university andits students and his vast data research.
Let's get into it. We're reallyexcited to be here with you today.
Thank you so much for the generoushosting the last couple of days. We're
able to be with Marco because wewere visiting Poly Technical Milano, both the
LECCO campus and the Milano campus,and you have many roles here. Maybe
you can start by telling us alittle bit about not only the courses you
teach, but also the programs thatyou helped direct and design. I'm a
I'm mainly the director of a servicethat we call poly link. Link is
a service that is meant to puttingKong in connection the university, with mainly
small and medium enterprises in the manufacturingactive in the field of manufactoring Um that
very often have difficulties in approaching theuniversity. So I tried to put them
in contact with the right Pollymni service. Whether they want to have, for
instance, I don't know, asthe girl that was calling beforeward was asking
me, some people doing internships orfor more complex research project or Sei to
what you do. I try alsoto mix up different factories and university and
other research centers in order to carryon innovation projects. Apart from that,
I also teach. Sometimes I'm directinga couple of labs. One is called
human vibration labs. So since when? I two thousand three when I met
you on the first time? Twotwo. Yet I'm working in the field
of ergonomics and especially with respect tothe effect of vibration on on on people,
and in that specific area I'm carryingon research projects, mainly in the
like o campus, while here inMilan I'm CO director. I'm the CO
director of a lab that is calledVision Bricks Laboratory, and we mainly develop
machine based vision systems for industry.So I tried to mix up all the
things. Not so I was seeingthe day are still twenty four, but
in the end we tried. Yeah, I try to do everything. Yet
and you're also an engineer and researcheryourself. Yeah, so, unfortunately,
the more the time is passing,the last time I'm spending on that acquisition
programs and data analysis and so on. But yeah, I'm a research engineer.
I annually worked with companies. So, apart from there, let's say
basic, basic research that we do. But my I love very much getting
into especially the small companies, youknow, because it's the one in which,
with that typically you have more challengingproblems, saying which you need to
mix up the human aspects of therelationship between with the technological aspects of innovation.
So, yeah, that's what wedo. It sounds like, when
the need arises, you'll jump intocertain projects or ways to utilize small companies.
We we started a bunch of thingsduring the pandemics. Some of them
were deriving from the moment, giventhat you you saw some of our facilities.
So, for instance, we weredesigning Um objects for hospitals that were
threely printed because there was shortage ofeverything in that period. So I collaborated
with a few of them, afew companies that were designing things for for
hospitals. Um We we developed apatent for dentists that, for instance,
tried to limit the aerosol and splay diffused in the environment by data ablation
devices. And, given that wecouldn't move anymore, we we we also
founded a startup that was promoting thepredictive maintenance of plant and the telemonyting devices
to be installed on on industrial plans. So we developed a set of sensors,
plus that acquisition node and that analysissystem that we're that are have to
be installed on existing plants. Sothe key point here is that it's like
a black in play system. Youdon't need to put your hands in in
in the on the PS C orwhatever. You go there, you snap
a few centser on the machines andthen you're able to collect data remotely in
order to understand, which is theglobal state of the machine. So,
yeah, the pandemic change everything.You mentioned that you designed, or you
work with the development of this predictivemaintenance devices so that people wouldn't have to
be in the factory now that thepandemic is starting to recede, or to
be a little bit more controlled.Do you see these sensors as important,
or is the race to complete thosethe same? It's it's the same.
Probably it's even more challenging than before, because now people is just asking,
what if another pandemic comes, anotherdramatic situation is occurring, that the point
is when the next strange thing willoccur, not if, and it's just
every everybody is just trying to beprepared to things that you cannot expect at
the moment now, and in thissense, the only thing that can help
you in being more resilient is data. Is that about your production, about
your plans, about your machinery.So you don't even want that if something
unexpected occur to one of your workers, to the best worker that you have,
he has all the knowledge in hismind and he has all the knowledge
of the machine, and that theknowledge is belonging to him. Basically.
So the way of putting instruments intomachine is just trying to understand, trying
to be safer, stay on thesafe side. If my my workers is
living me for any reason for onemonth, I just keep all my knowledge
in a digital form, in atotal new form that we need to understand,
but I keep it somewhere, andthat's the reason for which I think
that this is not just ending nowwith the end of the pandemic emergency.
This is just pushing to our newlimits. Now. Do you feel like
you all, as designing the programyou know, are encouraging and sort of
reinforcing a shift towards more data,more, you know, censors to monitor
machines Um and thinking in this way, almost proactively about the next thing that
might happen in the environment? Ordo you think students just feel this and
they're n actually more inclined to voidsthese projects? I'm not sure about it,
but my my students are really curious, really focused on on on all
the aspects related to technology, tothe big data analysis and so on.
The knowledge is just a part ofthe training that the university can give to
students. So the main limitation thatI see is that they left a very
good part of life. That isthe one in which you be relationship.
Now I was talking to you aboutthe poly link service that I'm directing.
Po Link is nothing about but probablya phone number and a little bit of
availability, of being able to talkto people, to create networks. But
in order to create networks you needto know people you know, and the
university is an ice period in whichstudents are building up relationship, talking to
each other, knowing each other.And that's apart from just, I don't
know, knowing hundreds of former thatyou can learn on youtube now. So
I don't want the university to tobe a Youtube University. With all the
respect to Youtube and whatever you want, but listen, just listening to a
concept is that. That's not theuniversity. You know, something else that
you cannot replicate with videos is allthe equipment and workshops that you have here
right. We just saw an incredibletour of your facilities. Maybe you can
summarize some of the facilities we saw. It was the UM lab for train
testing. Train testing, we havebasically all the facility like allowing us to
test whatever moves on the earth,so trains, cars, Ferrari, even
probably we had a couple of timesthe Ferrari Formula One car here to test.
The Michael Leagues, for instance,Professor Gobby and Mastino, are working
now on the electric on electric vehicles, I. Performance Electric Vehicles. We
have many, many colleagues that areworking on, for instance, the train
dynamics, igh speed trained dynamics.We have a wind tunnel in which we
have the most famous cyclists in theworld that are coming here to optimize their
position. Plus we have a sectionof wind engineering that is also caring about
interaction between very big, huge structureslike huge bridges, next generation youtuberinges and
the wind and earthquake. possibly.We have students working on their own formal
student car or motor motor student projects. Basically, I think that the best
thing that we have is still students. So policy is known around the world
for the quality of the research thatwe do, but mostly for the for
our students, that there's a reputationof people that is curious now. So
I think that you saw a bitof curiosity this morning in the labs now,
because these people that is not passingexams while they're doing an their activity.
They're just doing that because they loveit their hands on building things because
they were curious about reading something.This is something that you cannot transmit via
remote lectures. So the the conceptis the one, is the one of
learning by doing, you know.So our actor professor arrested right after the
first round of pandemics started the project. That was called back to campus.
So the idea was to somehow makestudents more interested in coming back rather than
staying at home and looking and lookingat lectures. So we're trying to put
a bit of experimental activity in everysingle course that we're doing, at least
at a master of science level,of course, and on the first course
of anatical analysis is rather hard toexplain it in a difference that is not
equations and so on. But atthe master of science level we're trying to
put the experimental content in every singleof course. I wanted, for instance,
to to move from Um books,from renting a book into a library
to renting your own experimental kid inthe library. So I teach signal analysis,
signal processing, diagnostics of this andso on. So it would be
fantastic if students go back home putan accelerometer on their washing machine and they
tried to be to diagnose whether thewhat they put in is balanced over the
inside or not. You know.So the key point is making their more
curious, because from curiosity I thinkthat the passage from curiosity to innovation is
easier than from lectures to innovations.You know, that's very interesting. What
he mentioned about the kid the PasadenaCity College during the pandemic. What they
did is they created this small kitwith everything that he needed for electronic assembly,
so they would have these lectures overzoom and every student would have their
own sovereign irond and components and aboard that was ready and over the video
of the professor was trying to guidethem through that. That's very interesting.
The concept of re reusing them,taking them, taking them as alone and
then giving them back, I thinkthat's great. We also had in Los
Angeles a modular synth library by oneof the organizations we work with there,
so people could rent out those instruments. So I think it's a neat idea
to re reimagine a library and realimagine library, re imagining spaces because,
you know, even even classrooms infive years ago we're building the classrooms as
big as we can, know,because you know, all the students are
coming now. I have approximately sixto seventy percent of at tendency in my
classrooms. That means that twenty orthirty percent he's just deciding to look at
the lecture that we're streaming on onthe Internet because it's useless to come here
from across the lawn early, orthey prefer to look at from home because
it's there's no problem of trains andso on. But the point again is
that if you believing the network,you must, let's say, do something
that is different from students. Sowe're now splitting big, big classrooms into
smaller ones. We're now trying tofit in the corridors or in the places
that are not let's say. You'veseen the Formula One car that is in
the corridor. Now it's somewhere wherestudents are passing, and the driving simulator,
I don't know, you can jumpon it, have a test and
that's something that should bring you backhere. So we should even think a
bit out of the box. Sowith with these new things, because we
have polinia has forty or five thoustudents approximately, so thinking to a kid
for each of them, it wouldbe quite let's say challenging, but if
you think that you can provide experiencesthat they can just play with, that
are scattered around the campus or inthe readly that you have a library,
an instrument library, where you gopick them up, pick an instrument up,
use it for five days and thengive it back just to practice,
and so on, these are someconcepts on which we're working. Wow,
absolutely. Yeah, I think that'ssomething you've mentioned several times now. It
is curiosity, and we've even talkedabout, you know, what sparks Um
your kids curiosity, or my littlebrother's curiosity or again, students, et
CETERA. Maybe you can tell usthe story of how you were first inspired
to be an engineer, or whendid you first know that that was something
you wanted to pursue? Well,I'm you know, now, when you
turn fourteen, you want to buyan iphone. When I turned fourteen,
I wanted to a motorbike. Sothat's what the Itanian students, Italian guys,
you used to love, forty yearsago approximately, and the first thing
that I did when I had mymotorbike was assembling it where I could and
remounted. My mom was was crazy. She said you will break it.
No, but or break yourself.She was hearing more about the motorbike.
Yeah, probably investment. But yeah, it was an investment point of view.
But as an engineer, you startedfive with Lego. So eighty percent
of engineers started with the Lego.You mounted, you see Lego technique,
you see motion transmission, suspensions ofcar and so on, and I loved
it. But then, growing up, my father wanted me to be an
electrical engineer and I loved my motorbike. So every it, as every
mechanical engineer, I said I wantto work with Ferrari one day. Of
course, I never did it,but in the indirectly you are through the
students. Now, yeah, Ihave a couple of students, know I
have. I have one of myformer students is now working at Ferrari.
Have another one that is working atMaseratis, or a good connection to get
to go test drive. Never,unfortunately, students, students, I gave
you so much knowledge. You shouldshould give you should give me a test
drive, not my lifetime drive.Drive is okay, but I want the
car. Okay. But yeah,you know, that's that's something that I
think is when you get into intoknowledge, you understand that the mathematics that
you learned through the years is givingyou more knowledge about the physical phenomenon.
So I evolved from Lego to mymotorbike, to want it to be a
feral engineer, to using the mathematicsas a tool. And in the field
of experimental mechanics, I felt thatthe area of signal processing was some somewhere
where the mathematics was mixing up withthe motor bike, you know, because
or with the car, or withwhatever you want, because you could have
a model of that is telling youhow the reality should be. You have
your experimental data that tell you howactual is, and our work is to
understand what's working and what's not,you know. So that was it happened.
I don't know how to tell yousay you learn how to do something
with the instructions, but then youbreak it apart and reinvent something. And
absolutely the key was sparking that curiosity, curiosity and ability of using things in
a way in which they are notmeant to be used. So go on
and think out of the box.In my opinion, is one of the
greatest messages that you can have,because if you go on thinking that that
was meant for doing that. I'mjust using for that and that's it.
Probably you have no innovation anymore.I think that we should all start with
our kids, not telling them thatthe rules for playing with that one or
this one, but this is yourtoy. Do whatever you want and then
break it. Yeah, yeah,probably break it and then fix it.
Yeah, exactly, you break youmake it into something new. By that
rule. My daughter is an engineer, reinventing the my daughter want to do
the she said. I don't knowif there's the name in English, but
she want to do the potionist.And I ask you, what's that?
I want to be the one thatcreates potion for something like, yeah,
for people that that needs to gethealed. So I want to create magic
potion that can yell everybody. Adoctor probably, I don't know, a
pharmacist or something like that, butshe started from that. Ye, I
love that. That's awesome. Um. So something else that we were thinking
about. When do you have annyinterviewed you? You describe yourself as a
measurement man, which I love title, which make t shirts measurements. I'm
the measurement measurement. Why is measurementso important? A lot of Kelvin.
That was much more important than anybodyelse in for for science. I was
stating that there's no science without measurement. Just imagine of not being able to
understanding which is your body weight?How can you understand if you're getting fatter
or not? Or not being ableof measuring the time, you cannot even
fix an appointment. All our lifeis based on on measurement. And if
you want to describe something, youcan just describe it with subjective ideas.
But what subjectives? Is Not sayinggood from a point of view of the
scientists or otherwise? You need toprovide some some numbers, some data.
In the industry, probably the datais now getting more read of us than
the products themselves. After ten yearsago, data had no value. If
you think nowadays about what's important inin in a business, with numbers you
can describe almost everything, and havingthat type about people makes you aware of
what they need. Having that aboutmachine makes you aware of when you need
to change something, if you needto replace something. So that's that's all
about measurement. Now, if youthink of how you're making objects as smart
and as smart object is just anobject that is capable of sensing something and
giving you back some feedback about somethingthat is happening now. Have you seen
significant development in the instrumentation and theaccessibility of sensors for these types of applications
over the last ten years or duringyour career? Has it like surpassed what
you would have expected? Just justimagine on how many sensors you have on
a mobile phone. Think about thewearable devices? No, now you can
biometrics. Yeah, you can trackyour run with the GPS understanding, which
is your heart rate. The heartgrade variability is telling if you are stressed
or not. There is oxygen sapurationmeasurement, just with your at your risk.
So that's something that, if nottwo centuries ago, but twenty years
ago, it was simply unbelievable andnowadays this is reality. There's a saying
on the other side of the pondthat goes you cannot improve what you cannot
measure. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. And speaking of how far
wearables have come, we got tosee a really interesting project by one of
your students yesterday at the Lego campusum where they're developing wearable censors. They
go into text stiles, e.text stile sensors Um, and one of
the applications they showed us that Ithought was really awesome was to see them
integrated into the backs of onesies forpremature babies to help collect the biometric data
in a way that's more gentle withthe patient because they're so small, and
then you don't need to have allthis bulky gear. And so that's just
one example of how this progress inthese devices has come to a level where
you're really able to do these uminnovative things. Yeah, that that's you
know, sometimes you see that thesedevices are doctors say that these are not
so precise and they prefer to havethe data, for instance, coming from
electrocardiogram or things like this. Butnow even doctors changed their mind because you
know when the patiency is coming toyour lab or two, I don't know,
it's coming to you and asking yousomething, he's upset because of the
visit and whatever. So the hardtrade monitoring that you're doing in those five
minutes maybe, but might be biasedfor you by the strays or whatever.
So it's much better to have lessreliable measurements, but you have a continuous
measurement throughout all the day. Sothat's the fielding which I think either with
respect to the human let's say behaviormonitoring or human parameters, biomedical parameters,
measurements, or also in the industrialenvironment. A few years ago there was
an expert that was arriving in yourcompany with a single sensor, putting that
on the machine, observing four,five minutes and then giving you what you
should do. But that was measuredin a limited time frame. Not Why?
Because that fifty years ago, datawere analoged. So we're very difficult
to treat. Even when data wentcompletely digital, there was an effective cost
of of the storage that prevented youfrom saving everything at every time. Nowadays,
basically, you can have very,let's say, measurements with the lower
quality but more diffused, and thisis giving you a better knowledge about the
entire process rather than a super precisemeasurement in an arrangement of long terms data
exactly and sting collected for a longtime. Even we were talking about the
corrosion data that's being collected over fouryears, you said, in one of
the labs right like that's going tobe way more valuable than coming in and,
I don't know, sensing just onemoment, when you know you can
sense during the day, during thenight. So you're morenitoring, monitoring structures
for basically forever, in different seasons. In different season at night, you
understand which is the effect of peoplethat is coming there, nearby walking,
creating spoolers, vibration that in principleshouldn't be there. But you have all
these phenomena that that you're able tocollect only if you're doing a continuous measurement.
And this is moving to parties because, again, no, big data
is a concept that I think thateverybody has now, but the concept was
now a few years ago, wascollect what you need, what you think
that is valuable and analyze those thingsto understand something. Nowadays is collect whatever
you want located somewhere. Who knowswhat's the might choose it. We may
need it in the future. Okay, so we're gonna look to the future
now. We've talked about where inspirationcomes from, where we're at at the
moment with some of these senting capabilities, with data collection, especially in the
fields that you're working in, andso what do you see as sort of
the future of artificial intelligence and whatexcites you about the future of artificial intelligence
or any of the things you're workingon. What excites me is the easiness
with which you can replace very complexoperation that we're done a few years ago
in a very easy and just,let's sake, training artificial intelligence systems instead
of coding tons of lines, andthat's something that that is amazing. I
don't know, but I think thatin approximately fifty to sixty of master of
science, this is that I've seenin the last year. We're trying to
apply concepts of artificial intelligence and classificationto mechanical engineering problems. So, although
we're not, let's say, computerscientists, Guy, this is impacting everywhere.
Okay, we will see the largestimpacts not in the field of engineering,
where you can already expect them,but in in the normal in your
in your normal life, basically.So we will have systems and machines that
better cooperate with people thanks to thefact that they have some kind of intelligence
and they are knowing from what you'redoing and they are knowing how to make
you feel better. That I thinkthat it's I think that for the moment
it was just limited to human no, you try to have good friends,
as you are, that remember somethingabout you and tell you the right word
at the right moment. So inthe future your car could tell you something
that can you feel better or canhear at the moment where you feel more,
more comfortable, or just take somedecision instead of you, and that's
something that will will change our lifein the future. So a positive guy.
I don't think that machine will revoluteand we never know. No,
this is bigger than what we canpredict. That's fascinating. Yeah, I
still think that the super high artificialintelligence will prevent from destroying everything. So
I hope so. Do you thinkartificial intelligence will learn one day to make
a better result of than yours?No mind, no limits. Yes,
very and you know there is someboundary. Well, that is still I'm
not an artist, but there issome boundary. Yeah, that is that.
It's also is the art, youknow, because you're not able to
just to understand how much wine you'reputting in the resort. That's just you
can. You just need to feelit now and to now. There's no
machine that can feel as a bunchof sensation that is outcrunching that Rice is
our smiled you feel if the Manchthe mushrooms are exactly cooked. So it's
in this mix. I think thatis still the best. Maybe a mechanical
engineer. I don't know if wecan end on a better note than that.
Honestly. I had a couple otherquestions. We're asking all of our
guests this one. What is onyour personal build materials, which you can
interpret, however? Well, thelogical bill of material is family, work,
family, and in the first setof the day you need to care
about kids and not. My wifeis caring about kids. I'm caring about
the bands, making the band andso on. But in that part you're
already thinking to the bill of materialthat you need to survive. So the
first part of the bill of materialis food. Okay, so start with
the morning and I don't have asmart fridge or something like that, so
everything is still in your mind.You think, what, what? What
do they need to survive? Kids? What do we need to survive?
And you coffee. Yeah, exactly, I care in the in the early
morning, I care about that.Then we start to work. And while
we were talking about jobs that inthe in the last weeks, it's just
are we able to manage the projectin the due timeline because of the shortage
that we have in every thing thatwe're needing. A friend of mine,
I'm working with friends of mine forthe manufacturing of a kind of simulation platform,
and the he needs some model froma company. I'm not sponsoring anybody,
but these are delivered in fifty weeks. Okay, so our entire project
now is not the key point isnot if you're able to do it sooner
or later, but if you're ableto do it on time. So I
switched from the survival of my familyto build, let's say, the availability
of whatever we're trying to use.We use a lot of motels and boards
and sorts and so on, andnow the point is, are we able
to do it on time, becauseall the companies are saying, yeah,
I can do it, but itwould be I could take a longer time
than usual. So this shortage isaffecting our life and in the end you
go back to the reality. Soyou forgot that during the day, you
completely forget to buy what you needto eat, what you need to to
buy for your family, and sowhen I go back home, I still
rely on superior entities like, Idon't know, restaurants or something like that
that can help us in surviving.If my planes of the morning is going
wrong? All right, complex.Yeah, no, I liked it and
I think it had a nice Italiantouch. It's different than any of our
other guests have answered it. Sothinks no one about. You know,
people talk about exercise when it comesto you know, balance and things like
that, but I appreciate the appreciatefor food. We've definitely, we can
all abound. We have over thisthe last few days. In the end,
it's the only thing that you reallyneed to survive every one of the
main things, I would say,next life worthwhile. Maybe everyone feels that
way, but I think we allagree that food can make your day better
for sure, can feed your stomachon your soul. Yeah, all right.
Well, thank you so much,Margo. It's such a pleasure,
Um to have this discussion with you, and thank you again for the warm
welcome to let go and Lano intoyour campus and to your work. The
next time you will lost me.Yes, we're looking forward to its absolutely,
absolutely all right. Thank you verymuch. Thank you. Guys.
You mentioned that he wants students tocome back to campus because that's where you
build networks and that's where you learnmore, and how he doesn't want,
well, any university to become ayoutube channel. Yeah, and that's that's
kind of my my thing is youcan watch all the tutorials and and online
things you want and get a goodexperience out of it and learn something,
but it's a testament to the facilitieslike libraries, where they have the physical
things you need to interact with technology. The apparatus is the expensive appliances that,
you know, only a multimillion dollarfacility or institution can afford to bring
in. So there will always besome element to a school or or place
where you'll have to go to congregateand the quality of the people interacting with
it is what draws and provides peoplewith, you know, the education,
I guess, and the the Camaraderieand the progress of knowledge. Totally now,
I feel when people first start havingto shift to remote learning, I
would have paused school like there wasno Wayud have been worth it for me
if I couldn't go into those placesin person. I don't know how you
can translate that to virtual yeah.Well, I have a bit of a
hot take. Hot Take. Yes, I've been working and studying remotely,
I think since it's yeah, it'sbeen a while. Having the capacity or
having the possibility of studying from homeallows people to advanced further their learning and
then, when they can go backto the labs or to school, be
better, you know, have improvedtheir knowledge. So I'm I would say
I'm online on site. How aboutyou? I think that I'm split.
Maybe as well, I can understandand I also, of course, love
the accessibility of online learning, forsure. You know, so many things
we talked about with Marco as wellare on Youtube, all the open source,
you know, knowledge that's exchanged onHackaday, I owe and platforms like
it's amazing. You know, Idon't think it has to be either or
one against the other, but Ithink they can be very complementary and for
a lot of people I think itactivates different parts of their minds and curiosity
and creativity that's beneficial to the endproduct or the work or the education,
even if it's more in one fieldor the other, more hands off or
more hands on. You know whatI what I would propose that study plans
try to make as much as possibleof their programs online and just leave the
the essential on site, because Icompletely agree there are the things that you
just need to do at the lab. But what if you can save all
the time, you know, allthat commute time, and you can use
it for work, for family?But I mean even like right M I
T, didn't they release almost likea lot of their educational stuff online x
platform, which is very interesting.So, all in all, the tour
to polytechnical was a success. Fantasticspace. Yeah, it was. I
mean, I can speak for myselfat least, when I say I was
like a kid in a candy shop. I love visiting campus shop spaces and
polytechnical is no different. It wassuch a pleasure to see all the awesome,
exciting work that the students were workingon and get to share with them
about hack a day prize and howthey might be able to receive some funding
for their PhD work. And Marcois a really, really gracious host for
us. Yeah, it's so importantto be benchmarking what other facilities are doing.
What would you say was the mostinteresting part of the tour for you?
Oh Man, I was obsessed withthe recycled polycarbonate three d printing that
was happening. They were using fiveaccess robotic arm to lay down this molten
recycled polycarbonate and they were going tobe previewing it. I think at SALONA
delmobile right they're getting ready for that. So we couldn't say much at the
time, but I think it's it'sall happened now, so it's okay to
talk about it. Yeah, andI'm not going to get into the specifics
because I honestly didn't learn that muchabout exactly what was technically happening. But
they had some really cool results andalso it is fun to see all the
testing along the way. I lovethe Ephemera of prototyping. What was your
favorite part of the tour, Gio? Thank you. Well, my favorite
part of the tour by far wasseeing the students applying the what's the name
of this carbon fiber to the car. You know, they first created this
mold. Well, they created ashape, then they meld the mold and
then they applied the carbon fiber andthat was a fantastic process that they had
a bunch of students there. Allof them were working towards the same goal,
which was making this section of thecar super low weight. And yeah,
that was fantastic. Also, theirtheir coffee machines were amazing. Of
course you noticed the coffee machine.My takeaway from this tour from this trip
was Marcos resotto. Yeah, hegave me the recipe and I tried the
first time. was total failure.Talk about prototyping. Yes, it was
a failed prototype. I had toeat risotto for like four days because no
one else would be bad. Butthen the second one I followed the recipe,
you know, more closely, closely, and it was fantastic. Perfect
case for having a space where peoplecome together, so you have that unstructured
human learning that you weren't anticipating butnonetheless got a very positive experience from which
may not have happened remotely. Andhow would you have tasted the result?
Tom Yeah, it wasn't an onlinecourse. I saw him yea, or
a bottle of wine slide that anyonewas wondering. All right, so what
would be? We're going to manifestsome shop tours next year. What would
be your dream shop to check out? My dream shop to check out,
even the ones that we would notbe allowed for a hundred years. Definitely
the Pentagon shops, whatever shops.No, no, Um, any formula
one school, you know, Ferrarior Red Bull, Mercedes? That would
be fantastic. Okay, Bruce,I've been to it actually before that.
I know it doesn't account, butI imagine that they're always doing something crazy.
Uh Stan Winston, formerly Stan Winston'sCEOS, but legacy effects, which
does a lot of like high endmovie theater problems. I'm always curious just
to see what they're working on.Yeah, they're always using like top knock
technology to be able to get theright shot to get something moving, interesting,
pan whatever it needs to be.I just was recently thinking about this.
I got to see take a tourof soaking out of familiar when I
was in Barcelona for the workshop withhelium, and you pass by at the
end of the tour in the kindof basement of the Cathedral. You pass
by there they're like prototyping lab ofcontinue because they're still building it. You
know, it's just this kind ofan ever ending project and you've passed by
the lab of how they're developing,you know, the latest ways to translate
the design, using better and betterbuilding technology to still stay true to the
original plans but use you know nowthey're three d printing the some of the
pieces that they're using in the finalstructure, and so that prototyping lab you
just get to see like into awindow, and I want to manifest a
detoured episode where we check out thatlab. That, yes, you're all
invited if they make it happen.Well, thank you so much for another
great design lab debrief for Cincio.We'll see you next week. Thanks to
you and Magenta. How you.Thanks so much for listening to the bomb.
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