The BOM : Episode 8: Hackaday Editor-in-Chief Elliot Williams

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To wrap up our series on THE POWER OF OPEN SOURCE, this week Majenta is joined by a very special guest, the Editor-in-chief of Hackaday, Elliot Williams

Elliot is the kind of guy who uses a 1990’s five-inch hard drive platter as a scroll wheel. He’s the kind of guy who stays up late debugging home-brew PCBs for random synthesizer modules or figuring out why that interrupt routine isn’t firing. He loves to see projects that are either ultra-minimalist — cleverly squeezing every ounce of performance out of some cheap silicon — or so insanely over the top that they dazzle you with overkill. After spending eight great years in Washington DC teaching econometrics and working on inflation by day and running a hackerspace by night, Elliot handed in his badge, moved to Munich and started writing as a hacker. He published his first book Make: AVR Programming in 2014, and Now he’ s pleased as punch to be Editor-in-Chief of Hackaday.

In today’s episode, Elliott shares his journey to becoming editor-in-chief, the origin and evolution of Hackaday, and why open source is the heart beat of the Hackaday community.

You can follow @Supplyframe and @Hackaday on Instagram, LinkedIn, YouTube, and Twitter, and @SupplyframeDesignLab on Instagram and Twitter.

The BOM is a Supplyframe podcast hosted by Majenta Strongheart, written, produced, and edited by Frank Driscoll and co-edited by Daniel Ferera. Executive producers are Ryan Tillotson and Tyler Nielsen. Theme music is by Ana Hogben, with show art by Thomas Schneider. Special thanks to Giovanni Salinas, Bruce Dominguez, Thomas Woodward, Jin Kumar, Jordon Clark, Matt Gunn, the entire Supplyframe Team, and you, our wonderful listeners.

The BOM (or “bill of materials”) is a weekly Supplyframe DesignLab Podcast hosted by Head of Design & Partnerships Majenta Strongheart. Each week, through digestible conversations with the world’s leading innovators, hackers, and entrepreneurs, Majenta and her guests explore the future of how hardware projects are built and brought to market, investigate technological solutions to the world's toughest challenges, help bridge the gap between makers, startups, and investors, and celebrate the transformational power of design. Presented by Supplyframe DesignLab

Episode transcripts

Io kind of came out of theHackaday prize as a place for people who
want to enter the hackaday prize toput up their projects. It's one of
the things we always look for whenwe're judging projects for, you know,
our little contests or for the HagadayPrize, is how well is this thing
documented? How reproducible is it?Is Everything? Is Everything Open and could
someone build this if they wanted to? And that's super important to us too.
And it's not always the easiest,especially when you're really just trying to
get the thing to work, tothen say I gotta go and take good
photos and write up how I didthis, and so it's good to have
a little bit of an incentive,whether it's, you know, the kind
of the carrot of community feedback,or whether it's money from one of our
prizes or whatever, whatever it takeswe want to get, you know,
or even just a write up inHackaday. Welcome back to the bomb.
To wrap up our series on thepower of open source, this week we're
joined by a very special guest,the editor in chief of Hackaday, Elliott
Williams. Elliott is the kind ofguy who uses a nineties five and charge
drive plotter as a scroll wheel.The kind of guy who stays up late
debugging homebrew PCPS for random synthesizer modulesor figuring out why that interrupt routine isn't
firing. He loves to see projectsthat are either ultraminimalist, cleverly squeezing every
ounce of performance out of some cheapsilicon, or so insanely over the top
that they dazzle you with overkill.After spending eight great years in Washington D
C, teaching econometrics and working oninflation by day while running a hacker space
by night, Elliott handed in hisbadge, moved to Munich and started writing
as a hacker. He published hisfirst book make a VR programming in and
now he's pleased as punched to beeditor in chief of Hackaday. In today's
episode, Elliot and I discussed hisjourney to becoming editor in chief, the
origin and evolution of Hackaday and whyopen source is truly the heartbeat of the
Hackaday community. Let's get into it. Hey, Elliott, welcome to the
bomb. Thank you for joining ustoday. Hey, my pleasure. I'm
excited to jump in, also hopingthis will get me a guest invite to
the Hackaday podcast. That's my secretulterior, not so secret anymore, alterior
motive of this episode. No pressure, no pressure. So our theme for
the month is appropriately open source forsocial impact, which is something we love
to talk about. Should be noproblem for us to get right into.
and Um, just for those whodon't know, we're going to do a
very formal, uh introduction of allthe great things you've accomplished, Elliott,
but Elliott is our hackaday editor inchief, and so we're just going to
jump right in and I'd love tohear in your own words why open source
is so integral to the hackaday cultureand community. Oh Man, and I
think we are basically open source.I mean part of it is that Hackaday
is all about sharing ideas, andour readers come there too, like pick
up new tricks and new ideas andnew ways of doing things, and basically
that is open source right, likeif you can share how you're doing everything
with other people freely, that's absolutelybeautiful for us. And so, you
know, first of all on thesoftware side, of course, but then
also, um, open source hardware, where you know, people like to
tweak each other's designs and the easieryou can make that, the easier you
can make this kind of community iterativeprogress. And Yeah, open source is
the only way to do that.As far as I know, absolutely just
open source is the only way.That's what we're going to start putting on
our t shirt. Yeah, right. You've described had before as a library
of Alexandria for otherwise fugitive hacks.I love that quote. So I think
this is a great description and boilsit down, you know, to what
what hackaday really is all about.Could you elaborate on this a little bit
for those who may not be familiarwith Hackaday? What is Hackaday? Both
hackaday dot com and hackaday dot iokind of break it down for us.
Oh my God, Hackaday is inits eighteenth year now. I think Hackaday
is kind of the chronicle of thehacker scene. It's it's where, it's
the reference for the good ideas.It's where they go to get stored and
I hope we do our job,which is to find the really cool stuff
and pointed out for Y'all out there. There have been times it comes and
goes. You know, it's eighteenyears in internet time is like hackadays like
sixty five in real person years orsomething, but there have been time when
it's like get super super technical andI think that's a little bit hard for
outsiders to come in or people whoare new to making their own pcbs or
playing around with, you know,hacking into firmwares or whatever, and I
think it's really awesome that we alsorun a lot of things that are a
lot easier and a lot more introductory, and so finding that blend for us
is actually hard, interesting and challenging, and that's part of what's fun about
writing for Hacka Day is that youget to kind of have a bunch of
different perspectives. You can, youknow, you have the perspective of kind
of the old guard, the peoplewho have been doing this for twenty or
thirty years, the Krusty old veterans, but then you also have to keep
in mind the perspective of people whoare just starting out in the game and
who want to up their skills andlearn new stuff. I appreciate what you're
saying about sort of the you know, the old guard hackers, and how,
Um, hackyday really offers a rangeand has arranged within the community of
super highly technical, highly invested,you know, whatever you wanna call Geeks
nerds. I feel like I'm anerd when it comes to fabrication and certain
things, and so I think,you know, when I say Nerd,
I am it's a fully positive connotation. I want to throw that out there.
Um, I think everyone's a nerdabout something, and so we have,
you know, that side of thespectrum all the way. Like you
mentioned, the the novice just beginningstarting to dip their toe into electronics,
into hardware, into soldering, whateverit may be. Maybe it's because,
you know, they're a student ofdesign and want to incorporate this into some
of the products they're developing, orthey make really awesome costumes and wanted to
try to get them to light up, and so they're starting to uh,
you know, learn more about leds and how they can incorporate those into
their work. And so we dohave this range and I think it's something
I realized very quickly when I startedworking with Hackaday. You know, I
was definitely a little intimidated at firstand you know everyone, I think,
has their vision of like the stereotypicalhacker working in the dark with their Hoodia,
but really the community is, asyou know, as diverse and interesting
and unique, as you can imagine. You know, and that's something I
really appreciated Jay mentioning in in ourfirst interview we did with J Moss Um.
You know just how much of arange of interest and passions and professional
backgrounds, you know, and educationalbackgrounds that folks in our community have.
So I'm going to use that asan opportunity for us to just really welcome
anyone who, you know, hasever been intimidated or wondering what's up with
Hackaday. Please check it out.We're very friendly. We have all kinds
of people in the community and wewant to hear more from new voices.
So I also want to put thatout there. You know, are there
any audiences you've been thinking about,Elliott, whether it's university students or folks
who would make wearables or whatever,that you've been hoping to kind of recruit
more into hackaday on the Io toour events and that sort of thing?
Yeah, right, yeah, allthe above is the short answer. You
listed a bunch of really kind of, you know, interesting topic areas.
I've always had a soft spot forkind of computer slash electronic art and generative
stuff and robotics I mean that's myown personal take, but we see people
coming in with, you know,you mentioned Ja Um, you know,
coming in with kind of their owntakes on things and being really creative with
it. I think sometimes people doget lost in the kind of ultra technical
and so it's good to have peoplecoming in with, you know, sweet
art ideas, you know, cleverdesign concepts, you know, bigger ideas
than just, you know, let'smess around with these transistors, which I
love too Um. But so there'sthat for sure. I have a son
right now who's eight and is justgetting into programming using scratch and some other
like drag down menu based programming languages, and that's super interesting and I think
we do have to you know,kind of reach out to the kids generation
as well. I mean, collegeshave always been an incredible source of hacks
for us. There are some brilliantpeople doing, you know, people in
electrical engineering curriculums who are doing,you know, cool stuff on the weekend.
That's a fantastic source. When wemake stuff that's relevant for the parents
of kids like is, they're goingto be stoked to inspire their kids to
play along, and that way it'skind of it's like second hand Hackaday,
but it's uh, it's probably wellwithin our mission as well. To break
it down a little more, hackadaydot com literally started as a hack a
day right kind of blog site we'resharing, where the editors were sharing hacks
that they found, Um, thatwere, you know, of interest to
the community which, as you mentioned, sort of started out with Super Nerdy
folks, with, you know,maybe software engineers by day hackers by night
kind of people, and has expandedto include now hackaday dot io, which
is a project sharing site, Um, where we run a number of events
and contests to get people engaged withthe community. You can find teammates on
there or support with some of yourinventions innovations. If you post something,
you're often going to get some feedbacksomeone trying to make it and giving you,
you know, tips on what theywould have found how ful. Or
if you're having trouble with something thatyou're trying to figure out in your project,
you can put that out there andit's a great place to find Um
answers and find tips and tricks forsomething, you know, an issue you're
running into, because likely someone haspotentially run into that or made that mistake
before. Yeah, I owe isa fantastic community for getting help on things.
I know in like my experience thereis a number of people who are
really solid on kind of analog electronicswho are super helpful and give you,
you know, the really hardcore tipswhen you're running into those type problems.
Um. But then there's also justa bunch of people interested in everything and,
like you said, people will remakeyour project and give you feedback on
it and there is nothing more helpfulthan that. But also it's kind of
it's a really good reality check foryour project as well. If you're aiming
for your project to be real worldee and reproducible and stuff, there's nothing
like having someone actually reproduce it andgive you feedback to help out with that.
Yeah, a number of our pastHacka Day prize finalists and winners have
mentioned how helpful it was, evenif sometimes, like you said, sometimes
it's hard to hear the really thevery real feedback on something. But it's
necessary if you're really trying to improveyour your innovation, make it more usable
for more people or try to scaleor grow it, as some of these
winners were, you know, wantingto turn these into businesses or products or
whatnot, and so we've definitely heardthat time and time again, that you
can get really awesome quick, veryhelpful, you know, feedback, detailed
feedback on the builds and what's working, what's not working and what can be
improved, which is invaluable if ifyou're trying to get, you know,
progress something. As you mentioned,you know, you've been at hackaday since
the beginning. What are what's oneof the most unexpected aspects of this growth
in the direction that Hackaday and HackadayI oh have gone over the last two
decades? What's surprising is that Hackadaykind of still has managed to exist in
its original format at all. Imean, like you said, it started
off with a hack a day andnow for the last decade at least,
we've been putting out eight a dayon schedule. I don't even think our
readers know, but we print,we put out a new hack on an
every three hour basis and like clockworkfor the past ten years, sixty five
days a year. You know,it's it's pretty crazy Um and we're lucky
to be able to do that.You know, this is all projects that
other people are doing that we're ableto write up. You know, I
say we write these things up.We're just covering what the community is doing
and it's awesome that we have thatmuch like depth and resources out there to
draw on. I do a podcastwhere we summarize, uh, kind of
what our favorite stuff that went onthat week is, and some weeks we
have so much stuff there's no wayto cover it, you know, in
any reasonable depth in an hour longpodcast. It's just astounding to me still
that this continues to be the case, Um, and that hackaday hasn't really
lost any of its soul. Wehave to be really thankful, I think,
to supply frame for taking really goodcare of Hackaday and for kind of
letting us keep running the show.I you know, it's really strange.
We don't do any cheesy ad placements. Were completely editorially independent. We haven't
sold out to anyone, and that'spartly due to supply frame taking really good
care of us, selling our adsin the side banners and keeping up kind
of Hackaday's integrity. And it's alwayssurprising to me when you know major newspapers
that have existed for a century orlonger are running viral ads and Hackaday isn't
and for us to be like thelast bastion of responsible journalism and journal like
journalistic ethics, is really freaky,um, but it's a really fantastic position
to be in and I just loveit that when we get something, we
can say what we think about it. And, you know, this kind
of honesty is exactly what our readersexpect of US too. And you know,
we're kind of in this weird,enviable forced position where we have to
be like that because our readers expectus to be honest and straightforward too,
and that forces us to be honestand straightforward and it's a lovely, lovely
relationships that our readers, who areus, hold us to our own values.
That's really sweet. Yes, definitely, I love that you're you're calling
out and recognizing the the authenticity kindof that the Hackaday has been able to
maintain and has really fought for.I can speak to you know, Um,
the Hackaday team really does take,you know, it's independence very seriously
and, like you said, it'ssomething that's a badge of honor now and
it's something that the readers have appreciatedover the years and, like you said,
hold hold the platform too, andso that's something that definitely makes hack
day extremely special and hope to,you know, continue to honor that for
many years to come. Absolutely,and so I want to shift a little
bit and I am going to makethis a little bit more about you.
The same way that, you know, hackers often reverse engineer their builds,
you've sort of described your career asreverse engineer, that you sort of came
at it a little bit backwards.You went from studying physics to working in
economics to then writing a book forhackers and Amazingly Turning your hobby into a
day job, which I'm sure everyonewould appreciate. Tips for how to accomplish
that, Um, and then youalso moved to Germany, learned German and
then got a job, which isa little different than a lot of people
will do an international move right.So could you tell us a little bit
more about how you got to hacka day and kind of this amazing,
you know, journey that brought youthere and and where you're at a day?
Oh Wow, I always just dothings that I think are interesting and
cool and like when I was enteringcollege, for me at the time it
was physics. I was really intoit. It's funny. I think I
would have done well as as justas well in the Engineering Program for instance.
I didn't know it at the time, but I think I probably would
have done just as well in somethingmore applied. I went more theoretical for
whatever reason. That's what landed meinto economics. I ended up doing kind
of UH econometrics, applied statistics ineconomics. So it's kind of to be,
to be fair, the kind ofGeekier side of economics to boot.
And then ended up working for thegovernment for eight years doing inflation measurements stuff,
so working for the Bureau of LaborStatistics, doing CPI, a consumer
price index, research and so reallyreally nerdy stuff and the but of a
totally different variety. Um To bem HMM. I shouldn't bag on them
too much. To be fully frank, it's about as exciting as it sounds.
My colleagues were all really great,like really smart people. Everyone in
my in our research division, wasreally great folks and we got some really
awesome data sets, which is thekind of thing that only an economatrician will
say to you with such a smilein his face, I think. But
you know, we had access toa lot of really cool data and so
there were some crazy awesome questions youcould ask with it, and that part
of the job was also really funUm but at the same time I kind
of was missing this old like handson you know, when I was doing
physics, I ended up doing somesome lab stuff and some astronomy. I
was in physics department and the AstroDepartment and we ended up working on some
instrumentation and stuff like this. Soit actually was kind of this you know,
bordering on electrical and engineering side ofthings as well, and so kind
of coming back to that in myown life. Plus it was just what
was in the air in the earlytwo thousands, this kind of uprising of
the hacker space scene there, andthat's what kind of got me back into
that all. And then I movedto Germany, like you said, and
after I was teaching a micro controllercourse at the hacker space and everyone's like
what textbooks should we use for this? You know, what should we use
for a book for this? AndI'm like, man, there's tons of
good online resources, but I can'tthink of a book for this. And
so then when I met my wifeand moved to Germany and quit my day
job. I was like, well, I gotta write that book because that
book doesn't exist. So I tooktook a year off and wrote the wrote
the book, which was really funtoo. That was boy, that was
an experience. It's one of thosethings you think will take six months and
it ends up taking at least ayear. But you have to imagine I'm
at the same time trying to alsolearn German and get stuff here figured out.
And you know, there was nono end of small hassles one way
or the other. I mean everythingended up being sorted in the end,
but Um, but yeah, it'smoving to a different country and learning a
different language is it takes a littlebit of time. I can imagine.
I love the idea of just youknow, you realize this resource didn't exist
and you were like, I'm goingto have to do it. This is
something I've heard actually several times,even in just doing the podcast where I've,
you know, with some of thefolks we've interviewed, just asking how
did you end up doing this,and it's like I was looking for this
thing or I was looking for Iwanted to work at a company like this,
and I didn't find it, soI built it myself, which I
love that mental lality and it's socool. They hear so many people.
Just make it happen. So Ithink that's truly Badass. And and he
learned German on top of it.So the cheery on. Yeah, sure,
right, yeah, now I thinkthat is the realization. Like,
there's a couple of things. Iwas talking with Dan Maloney, who also
has kind of a science background,the other day and we were talking about
the Pemba effect, which is reportedlythat warm water freezes faster than cold water
when you put it in the freezer. Turns out to be a lot more
complicated than that. He's like,I saw something really weird. What should
I do? And his advisor goestake really good notes. You know,
I don't know what's going on here. Whatever the heck it is, take
really good notes, and that's likeit. This is what got Albert Einstein
his Nobel Prize for the photo electriceffect. Yes, if people take nothing
else from this, they should taketake good notes. And that just brings
me back to why I think thework that hackaday dot io does is so
incredible, because we really are justall about encouraging quality documentation and documentation is
so is just it comes right backdown to that, taking good notes,
taking good photos. That's what allowsother people to build off of your Um
you know, your learnings, andallows the whole you know, everyone in
the community to grow and improve andraise their their skills and all of that.
And so document, document, document, take good notes. These are
these are important things. I don'teven know if we said it yet,
but io kind of came out ofthe Hackaday prize as a place for people
who want to enter the hackaday prizeto put up their projects. It's one
of the things we always look forwhen we're judging projects for, you know,
our little contests or for the hackayprizes. How well is this thing
documented? How reproducible is it?Is Everything? Is Everything Open and could
someone build this if they want itto? And that's super important to us
too. And it's not always theeasiest, especially when you're really just trying
to get the thing to work,to then say I gotta go and take
good photos and write up how Idid this. And so it's good to
have a little bit of an incentive, whether it's, you know, the
kind of the Carot of community feedback, or whether it's money from one of
our prizes or whatever, whatever ittakes we want to get you know,
or even just a write up inHackaday. Yes, definitely. Documentation is
not easy and, like you said, that's why we have so many ways
to encourage it. Not only doyou have an awesome community that will help
hold you accountable, but there isliterally cash money on the line. I'm
going to say it again for thepeople in the back. Thanks to our
awesome sponsors at digit key and supplyframe and some of our other amazing,
uh, you know, network ofdistributors and manufacturers and people in the component's
business, we have so much supportand we're able to give real money out
to incredible projects, all the wayup to fifty prizes, which is what's
on the line for the Hackaday PrizeGrand Prize this year. And, as
you mentioned, it is really awesometo get written up by Hackaday Dot com,
because sometimes you never know who's goingto read that article. One of
our other guests, Clabena, wastalking about how he first joined open M
V or helped, you know,co found open mv because, Um,
he saw right up about hackaday prizefinalists way back and reached out and saw
that they had been building off ofsome of his older work. So again
the magical circle of open source.And then, you know, they got
some prize money to keep building thatproject and turn it into a full fledged
business. So hackaday prize is anawesome opportunity. In addition to some of
our smaller contests, there's always somechances to win some money, and so
people should definitely check that out.And on that note Hackaday Prize, we're
currently in the hack it back challengeand we're preparing for climate resilient communities.
So if you have any projects whereyou're refurbishing or giving new purpose to old
electronics or old products or devices byadding some electronics or reusing some parts of
other electronics to make new awesome things, definitely enter the challenge that's open right
now, hack it back. Orif you're doing some incredible work for monitoring
or collecting data on the natural environmentaround us and to help empower folks and
communities to be more aware of,you know, the urban environment, the
air quality in their area, thewater quality or anything in beach mean and
beyond, you should enter climate resilientcommunities, which is coming up and we're
going to be able to have aculminating event. We're going to be back
in November for Super Con, firstone back in person after a couple of
years of being online, so we'revery excited about that. We're producing the
badges at design lab as we speak. Are there any teasers, Elliott,
you want to give for the SuperConference Badge this year? Oh my God,
I'm so happy to be back inlive Super Con. I really my
my fingers are all crossed. Ithink my toes are crossed. I'm knocking
on wood that. I am solooking forward to it again. Um,
should I give spoilers about the badge? It's a design that Voya Antonyche put
out two years ago for the twothousand and twenties Super Con. That wasn't
he designed this badge and then wecouldn't have the conference and he put all
of this work into making what isbasically a fantastic kind of mini computer from
the ground up, and there's likethere's so much thought that went into this
design you can't even imagine. AndVoya is kind of an old school computer
designer in his own right, andthis badge has elements that you can look
at as logic elements. It's it'sremarkably accessible and this is kind of the
fundamentals of computing and you know,it's the earliest route. So I think
that's really cool. On our side, we have a simulator written for it,
we're going to have probably compilers forit, we're going to have as
much educational material around it as wecan, because on one hand this is
like it's like a course. Thisis like a fundamentals of computer science course
in and of itself, but it'salso got tons of fun blinking lights that
you can make blink and make itdo cool stuff, and so I hope
again that we can kind of fillin the gap with enough educational slash instructional
slash make it easier, make itmore accessible material to get people who are
walking in who have never seen like, who have never thought about how you
can take the idea that this thirdthing is on only if these other two
things are on and then go fromthat into a computer which its face is
absurd but nonetheless reality. Yeah,it's almost it's the perfect representation of what
we're mentioning, the range of theHackaday community and hackaday resources that it goes
all the way from like highly technicalcomputer science foundation to it has a ton
of blinking lights and it's gonna beawesome and you can do all kinds of
fun stuff with it. So Ithink that was a great teaser. Thank
you, Elliott. And you canhook it up to other stuff and blink
them too. Like tons of roomfor creativity and goofiness here too. Totally
and we always have an epic badgehacking show and tell, uh kind of
competition at the end of the threeday conference. So if you're able to
make it out for Super Con,you'll not only get a badge but you'll
get the opportunity to show off whatyou create with it, and we are
going to be putting out the callfor proposals. If you're working on awesome
hardware and you want to come givea talk at Super Con, definitely keep
an eye out. They'll be goingout next month, in August, and
you can find all the information onthat and more on Hackaday DOT com.
You've been really involved with the opensource community for, as we mentioned,
you know, a good amount oftime now. Do you feel like over
this time, more and more membersof the broader tech community have become more
supportive and interested in adapting open sourceinto their business models or into their product
development cycles and all of that goodstuff. Yeah, I don't have as
much insight on the big business sideof things as a lot of other people
do. Frankly, I'm super interestedin seeing kind of the you know,
the little projects get bigged up,and we do see a lot of that,
like actually on Tindie a lot,which is another our our sister website,
Tindi. Um, but on Tindiwe see a lot of really cool
projects that then people can get madethemselves and sell to you. And that's
phenomenally powerful these days that you know, a couple of people, plus the
right tools, plus then the rightcommercial resources, getting your PCBS made,
being able to order the parts and, you know, get them assembled when
needed, etcetera, etcetera, canturn you know, one person or a
couple of people into a company makinginteresting stuff and selling it and the stuff
again, because of the way Iam, I'm interested in these kind of
quirkier niche projects more than I amthe stuff that ends up necessarily becoming a
big business. I'm so glad youmentioned tindy. I was hoping you would
bring Tindi up. Tindi is anawesome marketplace for these smaller scale electronics Um
to reach a broader audience. Ithink when you have these kind of projects
it's almost like having a baby andlike you are so stoked when your baby's
out there taking its first steps,but you know you still have to feed
them and get them clothes and stuff. It's hard work too. But I
think people who are able to getthese like you know when you're a project
that you thought was going to bea run of ten turns into a run
of six hundred, that's a tremendoussuccess, but it also, like you
say, it comes with work,but I think it's really a that's an
honor to be in that position,though totally. So what is what's sparking
your creativity at the moment? Outsideside of tech? I got a camera
recently, for the first time ina million years. I was shooting with
a point and shoot for a longtime as a kid, kid and in
through college, I was a seriousfilm photographer and did some journalism and stuff
like that as well. Always Ispent half of my youth in a dark
room and I just recently got agood digital camera with like real lenses and
stuff, and have been really enjoyingtaking real photographs again and kind of rediscovering
that. But then you know it'salso different because there has been fifteen years
of time elapsed and fifteen years oftechnological progress and it's just fantastic and as
just having a really good time withphotography the last month in a bit.
That is not dissimilar to one ofour other guests we just had on the
podcast. Chasselby, was talking abouthis passion for Photography and how complimentary it's
been to his work. So Ilove that that's a become a sort of
a common theme amongst some of ouryeah, some of our guests. And
what would you say is on yourpersonal bill of materials. You can interpret
this question however you want. Weare asking all of our guests this at
the end of every interview. Whatgets you out of bed in the morning?
You know, what do you requireto be the best editor in chief
of Hacka Day? What helps youtake Oh man, coffee. I need
and live on coffee. I roastmy own coffee and I have a nice
espresso machine downstairs and without that therewould be no haggy day. That makes
sense. I can relate to that. For sure need my my daily Espresso
to keep keep everything moving well.Thank you so much, Elliott, for
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