EPISODE 21: How JFK Got Elected

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Show Notes

It's Part 1 of our deep dive into the Presidency of John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Learn about his horribly racist father Joe and his brother Bobby, the pairing of JFK and Lyndon Johnson, and how Robert Nixon was transformed into a ghoul of sorts in his first televized debate with Kennedy.

Hungry for pesto? Cook up Craig's recipe and enjoy a little dinner and a pod tonight!

Here are the steps to making the perfect pesto with a few options thrown in at the end. As usual read all the way through before you start to be sure you have all the ingredients.

Step 1 place three cups of tightly packed fresh basil leaves (no stems) into a food processor.

Step 2 add 1/4 cup pine nuts or walnuts to the food processor.

Step 3 add three chopped garlic cloves to the food processor.

Step 4 add 1/2 cup ground Parmesan cheese to the food processor.

Step 5 add 3/4 cup of olive oil to the food processor.

Step 6 add 1/4 cup white wine or dry vermouth to the food processor.

Step 7 turn the processor to low speed and blend the ingredients into the consistency of a sauce (add more olive oil if needed).  Place the mix in a sauce pan and cook over low heat stirring regularly for ten minutes. At the same time start...

step 8. (Option: to make the mix into cream pesto add 3/4 cup sour cream. You can also add crumbled Italian sausage or chopped chicken to the mix and keep cooking until the sour cream is absorbed and/ or the added meat is cooked. )

Step 9 cook your favorite pasta and drain.

Step 10 serve the pasta in a bowl topped with the pesto sauce.


I did a podcast for Michigan State
University Press on my autobiography, okay,

and they were really great about flogging. History rated are they're all listening to

it. They love it. Flogging
it like flogging, flogging it up,

like like you flog a wars to
make it go faster. Oh, I

can flogging look to make it sell
more. Oh, I've never heard that

before. We heard that. I
thought flogging was like a violent act that

hurts somebody. Is it is flogging
is a beating with a whip. But

if you flog a book it's a
metaphor. It means you're pushing it,

you're you're selling it. I like
the idea that somebody's beating our podcast with

a whip. I'm kind of into
that, of course. Welcome to history

ratedar. My name is will sterling, former Californian, present Bostonian. Camp

Cambridge, Cambridge and Kimbridge and Craig. What would you call Somebodyho lives in

Craig and Cambridge? Okay, bridge
and it's good. I like that and

I don't like that and I think
and it's so it's so relevant to the

subject of today's podcast. Why is
that? Because Mr Kennedy came from Massachusetts

and went to Harvard. Oh,
that's right, that's right, and that's

where Casey is going to school.
Little smart pants should graduates at the end

of May. So I'm out for
two months. As we told the people,

stay in it with Casey and live
in here. We drove across the

country with chuck the PUP. Long, long trip, five days. We

average like ten to twelve hours a
day and it's a it was less romantic

than I then I've imagined it being. I think that the interstates would take

it a lot out of it.
I actually have driven across the country thirteen

times. Oh Gosh, time when
I was eight years old and they're interstates

were non existent. This was the
beginning of the Eisenhower Administration, in one

thousand nine hundred and fifty three,
and he, you know, started the

whole interstate thing. So we were
on back roads all the time and getting,

you know, stuck behind trailers and
trucks and tractors and all that stuff.

It gave you a chance to really
see the country. Yeah, I

will say and it's funny because you
start the story. This is another episode

we recorded a long time ago.
This because recorded in July of two thousand

and twenty one. So we're going
we're still working on our backlog of presidential

episodes. But you mentioned that Eisenhower
created the interstate system at the top of

the story and it's interesting to do
it because driving across like Wyoming, Iowa,

Nebraska, I just flat, you
know what I mean, for thousands

of miles, really not super thrilling. They'll very last day when we got

to New York, was really pretty. Pennsylvania it kind of started to open

up and get real pretty and then
all through southern New York into Massachusetts.

We got to drive through western Massachusetts. It was awesome. But the Burke

s's the books are gorgeous. Yeah, so I'm here to particularly particularly in

the fall when we drove across the
country when I was eight years old from

my first trip. We went over
the little big Horn mountains at the top

of Wyoming and as you come going
east, you come to the end of

the big horns and you look out
and you can it's like you could see

the whole country from up there because
it's all below roun ten thousand feet down

and flat as a you know,
pancake. For the rest of the way

right man. Well, it's I'm
glad that we're we have modern technology.

So with the show must go on. We can keep doing this. It

is it is better to do it
in person, because I'm forcing you to

do it at three pm your time
and you are not allowed to drink a

Martini right now because it is too
early. That's correct. An angry about

that? Does that make you mad? Oh No, I'm actually you know,

if you know, will I have
a balcony extension under construction and it's

fairly well, it's ninety nine percent
done and I've just been enjoying sitting out

on that balcony and reading and looking
at my humming birds, and you're going

to love it when you get back. O Good, okay, I can't

wait. Well, tonight you're making
up. You're cooking up, but was

so we are talking about how JFK
got elected on today's episode, but you

are making back at home and Long
Beach. You were making some Pesto.

That's correct. You've sent us a
wonderful recipe. Yeah, it's one of

my favorite things and the recipe is
full proof. It's you eat of a

food processor, but other than that, and lots of Basil. We give

you a what eight step way to
make Pesto? Yes, with the few

options you can. You can actually
make a cream pesto by adding creamers,

sour cream, I perverse our cream, and you can also add meat to

it if you like, or you
can make the pesto sauce and then put

it over things like salmon's fabulous that
way. Right, right. How much

do you know about the history of
Pesto? I don't know much about it.

I mean, I know it's Italian
becauuse they have so much basil,

were right, and it grows like
crazy, but I don't know the history

of it. I wonder who invented
it. It was so traditionally it consists

of crush garlic, European pine nuts, corsalt, basil leaves and hard cheese

such as Putnamagiana, Riggiano or Pecorino
Saturda. We're going to be doing a

lot of this Italian accent stuff again. Correct and, as all, blended

with Olive Olive boid. Pesto is
thought to have two predecessors in ancient times,

going as far back as a root
as the Roman age. The ancient

Romans used to eat a similar paste
called Moritam, Morettam, which was made

by crushing garlic, salt, cheese, herbs, olive oil and vinegar,

and sometimes pine nuts together. The
use of this paste in the Roman cuisine

is mentioned in the Appendix Fittigiliana and
Ancient Collection of poems, in which the

author details the preparation of Maritam.
What it during the Middle Ages, a

popular sauce in the genoan cuisine was
Agliata, which was basically a mash of

garlic and walnuts, as garlic was
a staple in the nutrition of Liq,

we Ligurian's Lugur, Legur, Lurian
Lukarians, especially for the seafares. Yeah,

but the introduction of Basil, which
is like the main ingredient of modern

Pesto, occurred in more recent times. In his first documented only in the

mid nineteen century, when gastronomist Giovanni
Batista Ratto published his book Lacuccinea Gen of

easy in one thousand eight hundred and
sixty three. So the pet that the

basil part is actually more recent than
I think people realize. That's not the

that's not the ancient part of it, all the likely originating from and being

domesticated in India. Basil took the
firmest route in the regions of Liguria,

Italy and Provence France. It was
abundant in this part of Italy, though

only when in season, which is
why marjor Marjoram and parsley are suggested as

alternatives. When Basil's lacking. You
can also use asparagus and put a little

rosemary in it and it's just fabulous. You have made asparagus Pesto for me

many times and it's delicious. Yeah, does your pie smell when you eat

asparagus? Yes, good, congratulations. You have the genetic thing that you

can smell. I didn't know for
longest time what that was and I would

go searching through my kitchen thinking that
a rat had died or something. I

mean, it was just I discovered
it. You know, I think I

would like twenty four before I figured
out that asparagus was causing me to have

you all sent a Roma when my
yarn. One time in high school I

challenge myself to see how much asparagus
I could eat, to see how many

times in a row I could notice
the smell of it in my p guess

how many PAS in a row.
I got an asparagus sent six, eight,

Oh my God, record. Wow, I ate like a full fists,

like a whole thing asparagus, and
I was like watch this clearly something

that a sixteen or seventeen year old
would would be delighted to do. So

I would have thought it would go
through your system faster than that. But

okay, maybe maybe I'm lying.
I don't know. Fact check me.

People go back in time, find
high school me about against the wall and

be did you really do this?
Huh, didn't really smell eight times,

you little. You'll punk show me
in a locker. So that's a little

history on the on Pesto, the
yeah, it says that recipes for Pesto

begins circulating an American newspapers as early
as the late nine S, for a

syndicated recipe by George Rector that was
copyrighted in nineteen twenty eight. In nineteen

forty four New York Times mentioned an
imported canned pesto paste. Nineteen forty six

sons at magazine published a pesto recipe
by Angelo Pellagreni. Pasto did not become

popular North America until the S and
S. do you feel like you have

a memory of that as s and
these recent yeah, I do. Pasto

likes a hot, humid climate.
Okay. And so we would raise the

Pesto in our front yard where I
worked at the freemove expression foundation. We

were in a little town house.
We had a front yard full of full

of Basil. HMM. In the
summer we would harvest it and there's Purple

Basil, which makes a purple pesto
that it's really impressive. Interesting. Yeah,

you make like Kal. There's a
there's a purple Kale. Right,

right, okay, are you making
purple pest that's an Oder just so g

yeah, I'm just doing the green
pesto tonight, the original. Okay.

Well, I'm very excited for people
we're getting into the now, the more

recent political presidential histories that people I
think it Tantalis scintillating stories about sex and

drugs and and murder, starting with
John F Kennedy. And Yeah, can

I there's there's a little story I
want to tell about John Kennedy, just

a quick story that I did not
include when we did this back in July

two thousand and twenty one because I
had forgotten about it. In one thousand

nine hundred and sixty when he was
campaigning for president. He came to San

Diego, HMM, and I was
in high school and I was recruited to

be like in the parade and help
people drive cars and things. Okay,

so that you know, his parade
look bigger than it was. And so

I got to meet him and I
was very impressed. He was very charismatic.

Yeah, and then, you know, a few months later he had

secured the nomination and he gave a
nominating speech, which we talked about in

the regular episode, which kind of
went flat. And then two weeks later

Nixon was nominated at the Republican convention
and I thought he gave a terrific speech

and that's where I was converted from
Kennedy to Nixon. Always. So you

were going to be you're going to
vote for Kennedy, even you at the

time. Yeah, because I can
my head touched his hand. I mean

I had just the raiment. That's
what people say about Bill Clinton, you

know. Yeah, they're like how
he just has that vibe. Turns out

he's like a super rapey and that's
the vibe actually, I think, is

that he's kind of like yeah,
well, Kennedy had his problems. He

sure did. So now we're in
the history of dirty Democrats. Yeah,

here on history, weighted are and
we will be back right after this.

We're picking up where we left off
with Post Truman. Getting to Eisenhower,

I had mentioned the right thing I
know about Eisenhower, which is Eisenhower decisionmaking

complex. Yes, and I like. He gave us the interstate system.

That's right, I could. Well, I drove, I drive a drove

across the country in one thousand nine
hundred and fifty three when I was a

little boy, and it was no
fun. Four miles straights because you got

to land planes. The interstates had
to have four or five miles straight because

he took it out of the defense
budget. Okay, therefore it was a

strategic plan to be able to land
our bombers white here interstates. I can't

we take more MOYF watch it.
Why did we want to lay in bombers

on our interstates? Because we and
other war because they closed, they bomb

the airports. I guess, I
don't know. I suppose. Okay,

it's really die hard move yeah,
land, okay, the freeway. So

anyway, he gave us that,
but the other thing to know about Dwight

Eisenhower is here's what happened without parties. Okay, so the whigs, for

example, were minority party. They
couldn't win, so they ran a general.

So they ran in the old hill
move. Run a general, run

a general. So they ran William
Henry Harrison, better known as tippy canoe,

Dan new and Tatatoo, and he
won and then died a month later.

Yeah, and they were stuck with
the fusion Vice President Tyler, who

was a democrat. So they didn't
win again. They kept running competent people

like Henry Clay, who weren't charismatic
and couldn't get the vote, and so

then they went with Zachary Taylor,
who was a hero of the Mexican American

warten and a real piece of ship. MMM, and they won and then

he died two years later and they
were Millard fillmore came in and turned out

to be a pretty good president.
So anyway, the out party, when

they can't win, they go to
a general. So here you have.

You know, the Republicans then got
in with Lincoln and control things all the

way up until the depression. Yeah, you know, there were a few

exceptions, right. You know,
Grover Cleveland and Went Woodrow Wilson, we

talked about before. But after the
depression they couldn't win. I mean Roosevelt

won four in a row and then
they were going to come back in forty

eight, as we said during the
Truman segment, and they lost the forty

eight election to Truman. So what
do they do in one thousand nine hundred

and fifty two? They get a
general run, a General White Eisenhower,

and they went overwhelmingly. What's that? What's that Great White Christmas Sun?

What would you do for a general
who's done a little general? I don't

know anyway. Okay, that's what
I have to friend. Sounds like something

from the pirates insance. They're Craig. It's me being crosby song about a

general by being want to go on
the road to Morocco with me? So

like Webster's dictionary, the the the
other thing about Dwight Eisenhower was that he

kept the peace, but it was
at in my opinion, it was at

too high a price. For the
example, in nineteen fifty three, the

East Germans revolted against the communist I
wanted to be reunited with Germany. I'd

have gone in there in a heartbeat
and fix that sits that situation, meaning

why I would have liberated the East
Germans. Okay, them reunite, right,

but Eisenhower was not going to do
that. He was disengaged. Didn't

want us to get into another war, even though he was a general.

Even though he was a general.
I mean he got us out of Korea,

okay, you know, and that
was an armistice which was really a

tie instead of a win. Right. Well, you're just like that's cut

our losses, right. Yeah.
So then in nine people, yeah,

and then in one thousand nine hundred
and fifty six, two things happened that

I thought he also showed really cowardice. The Egyptians seized the Suez Canal,

MMM, which is supposed to be
an open waterway, and the Israelis went

in with the French and the English
and liberated the Suez Canal and when it

went to the UN for arbitration,
the United States said you have to give

it back to Egypt, and I
would never have done that because Naser was

a bad dude and he was in
the back pocket of the Soviet Union.

It was, it was, it
was terrible. And then a few months

later, in October of one thousand
nine hundred and fifty six, during our

election, Hungary revolted. The people
revolted, they took over the radio stations.

They said help us, help us, help us, we're throwing out

the Soviets. And we didn't do
a thing. The Soviets came back in

and crushed their their revolution. Right. So you know, that was kind

of the dark side of the Cold
War, but you know may dark sides.

Yeah, well, we weren't in
any recessions or any I mean,

wars or anything. Yeah, but
then in one thousand nine hundred and fifty

eight a recession came in and the
Republicans ran Richard Nixon and the Democrats ran

a nice young senator from Massachusetts who
was somewhat charismatic named John Kennedy. and

John Kennedy barely won that election with
help of voter fraud in Chicago and Dallas,

and so he became president. And
yes, I think we should focus

on John Kennedy in this section because
he's far more interesting than Dwight Eisenhower.

Okay, well, that that.
Maybe Eisenhower loved Martinis, so she would

have been in sure to be.
Okay, you're well, our good presidents

like Martinis. Okay, that's good
to know. John Kennedy like Daquari's.

Oh, he would Geah, he
would. They, they can. They

brought back the dimny time. President. Huh, yeah, Ancorate, they

brought back to daqueries in cabalt so
came lot. It's my best Robert Goulet.

So, Oh, do that again, come a lot. Yes,

I do. I fucking God,
what are you? Sixty, I would

hope. How do you make these
jobs? Okay, so he's this transformation

on you. So we're in terms
of transformational democratic presidents, in terms of

getting us to the present day,
in terms of how we sort of look

at Democrats. FDR's laying this framework. JFK's really the the major flipping point,

as we'll see sort of again with
Johnson and sort of the civil rights

and stuff. I got right.
Yeah, but you want to Suposit what

you also mentioned. You want about
Joe Kennedy and some other things. So,

Selenian, start where you want to
with. Well, you know,

Legend. Okay, here's an interesting
story. I was having drinks, the

only time I did, with Robert
Kennedy. Okay, at the Waldorf Historia

with just a few students. And
doesn't matter why this happened, if it

actually was on St Patrick's Day,
which is really kind of cool. In

one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven
and I was watching Robert Kennedy closely and

he ordered for his drink old fitzgerald
on the rocks. Well, the reason

is his inlaw was the mayor of
Boston, was Fitzgerald, MMM and,

and he was called honey fits.
He was a very popular mayor and his

daughter Rose married Joe Kennedy. So
Joe Kennedy married into the political machine.

Okay, with his own ambitions.
He also was a made whiskey and so

he named the one of the whiskey
brands old fitzgerald, which we have to

this day, in honor of his
father in law. Okay, and then

during the prohibition he bootlegged in and
made a lot of money off of bootleg

booze. But the other thing about
Joe Kennedy that is interesting is that two

weeks before the stock market crashed in
October of one thousand nine hundred and twenty

nine, Joe Kennedy sold all a
stock. Okay, so somebody tipped him

off and he came out of the
Depression, the stock crash, with a

lot of money, and so he
began investing it in in Democratic candidates.

Okay, and one of the people
he invested in was Franklin Roosevelt. MMM.

And in return, Franklin Roosevelt made
him ambassador to England, the Court

of St James. Right now,
this was trickier than people think because,

as you may recall, Joe Kennedy's
of Irish descent. Right, so where

the fifth geralds? Hmm, Ireland
and England were not nice to one another.

Correct, Ireland had allied itself with
Germany during World War One. Oh,

so now you make an Irishman the
ambassador to England as a kind of

up yours to the English people.
Interesting. That's the way jump Kennedy's mind

worked. He also was promised by
FDR that FDR would not run for a

third term and he'd back Joe Kennedy. Oh, for president, okay.

And then FDR went to his postmaster
general, Farley, and said the same

thing to him, and then he
went to his vice president, John Nance

Garner, and said the same thing
to him. Well, so he divided

all the forces that could have posed
him for a third term and then he

announced who was going for a third
term and they were all furious. Yeah,

Joe Kennedy. I have a little
tidbit to add. This time I

got some history in my back pocket. I read a great book called Mr

S, written by man named George
Jacobs, who is Frank Sinatra's driver for

like sixteen years. Oh Wow,
and he tells, you know, the

story from his perspective and stuff like
this black guy also so different, obviously

different attitudes. Yeah, treated differently. He tells all these there's a whole

chapter called camel, Camel, dedicated
to the Times that the Kennedy's came to

the Palm Springs House, at Sinatra's
pad in Palm Springs, and he's like,

Joe Kennedy's The fucking biggest piece of
shit in the whole world. He's

like this motherfucker is the racist,
most antisemitic person. Oh yeah, it's

a whole worryingly any sembata he write
like retails in the book jokes that he

made. And of course he's like
making jokes about black people to like nothing.

Fucking mad. You don't even like
and he did sayd JFK was it

was a good dude, but I
mean nice to him at least. Not

a great person, but but kind
him. But Joe Kennedy, he was

like fuck that guy, he's the
worst. Yeah, and and in the

process, while all this is going
on, Joe Kennedy's having a love affair

with Gloria Swanson, you know,
cheating on his wife. Well, he

was talking about the mean they got
horrors. He's always like we got wars

in the house, like past the
suits and everything, he said, everything

up for his sons. So he
goes over, he's ambassador to England and

then in one thousand nine hundred and
forty England looks and terrible shape, like

it's going to lose the war,
and Joe Kennedy says England should surrender and

give into the Germans. And so
he's removed as ambassador and then has no

shot at the presidency and he's he's
kind of wrecked his career right. And

then the tragedies start happening in the
battle of Britain. Joe Kennedy, Junr,

his son, was flying for the
English and got shot down and killed.

HMM, and one of the people
who saw that happening was it driving

another plane and it was the son
of Franklin Roosevelt, Whoa I mean that's

really scary. That's wild. So
that's the first son to go. That's

the beginning of the curse. In
the meantime, on the other side of

the world, in the Pacific,
John Kennedy was becoming a hero. Yeah,

he was driving around to PT Boat, didn't know what he was doing

and a Japanese destroyer cut his pt
boat in half and so he helped rescue

his men and got them onto an
island and that made him into something of

a hero. So John Kennedy comes
back and now instead of Joe Kennedy being

the first son that you know it's
going to become the president, it's John

Kennedy. And John Kennedy runs for
Congress in massage in Boston, in the

old honey fits district, and he
wins and he's in Congress. He's elected

in a one nineteen forty six election. Okay, you know, coming back

from the war, same thing that
Richard Nixon did, only Nixon was in

the navy, HMM, and Nixon
came back and ran here in Whittier,

okay, for Congress. What are
Your California? What are your California in

one thousand nine hundred and forty six
and he won. So they were freshman

congressman and they agreed to go and
debate one another in Pittsburgh, okay,

because Nixon was a conservative Republican and
and Kennedy was moderately Liberal Democrat. Okay.

And evidently, and this will become
important later on, we talked about

why Nixon agreed to debate Kennedy,
Nixon killed him in the debate. Nixon

was a championship college debater, okay, and a very good speaker, and

Kennedy never debated much in his life
and so had that great voice, though,

had that great voice and that great
havotoc accent. So Kennedy then decided

in one thousand nine hundred and fifty
two to run for Senate and he was

running against Henry Cabot Lodge. Now, I've heard this name before. Yeah,

he's a descendant of the two Royal
Republican families of Massachusetts, the lodges

and the cabots. Huh, there's
a saying in Massachusetts history that the lodges

talked to the cabots and the cabots
talk to God. And so here he

you know his his his grandfather had
been an esteem senator for years and majority

leader in the Senate and he'd been
a famous historian also. So Henry Cabot

Lodge was not supposed to lose that
election in Massachusetts. Nobody would run against

him. and John Kennedy's on opening
yeah, to jump over all the other

politicians. In the meantime, Henry
Cabot Lodge signs on to run Dwight Eisenhower's

campaign for president in nineteen fifty two
and he's so busy off getting Eisenhower elected

that he loses the election to John
Kennedy. Gotta so John Kennedy becomes the

senator from Massachusetts. Henry Cabot Lodge
is appointed ambassador United Nations by Dwight Eisenhower.

So we have all these careers going
on at the same time. Right

in the meantime, Nixon had run
for Senate in California and fifty and he's

put on as a vice president nineteen
fifty two. A meteoric rise wow in

his career. And we get back
to Dixon in a later segment. But

so here you have. Kennedy comes
into the Senate, he's sworn in in

nineteen fifty three and Joe Kennedy not
only is, you know, an anti

Semite, he's horribly anti communist and
so he convinces his son John to be

very strongly anti Communist. He's you
can be as liberal as you want on

domestic issues, foreign policy, hate
those commies, right, and in one

of his early speeches on the floor
of the Senate he John Kennedy, you

know, the war with with Korea
was winding down and he talks about a

yellow horde invading Asia, Sweden,
that kind of stuff. So they're more

racism and family. MMM. Then
we get to the one nineteen fifty six

democratic convention. So the Republicans are
going to renominate Eisenhower Nixon. So nothing

exciting is happening there. But Eisenhower
had beaten Adlai Stevenson for president and so

some Democrats did not think Stevenson should
be real renominated in one thousand nine hundred

and fifty six. Stevenson had other
plans. He wanted to run again,

right. And then there was a
senator from Tennessee called estas Keif offfer.

Love that name, and he wore, literally wore a coonskin cap as he

campaigned, Oh God, and he
started winning primaries and he democratic primaries like

one thousand nine hundred fifty six trump. Yes, ringers, yes, we're

going to go except keep as much
brighter than trump, make America much more

humane than trump. And America went
by the baby cronkt again. Yet.

But who isn't you know? It's
true. So he comes down to like

the Oregon primary, and Stevenson wins
it and it's it's a close convention,

but Stevenson gets the nomination on the
second ballot. Now, behind the scenes

Stevenson promises Joe Kennedy, who's giving
money to Stevenson, promises Joe Kennedy that

he'll put John Kennedy on the ticket
with him. Okay. So when Stevenson

gets it, they then, you
know, are pretty confident that Kennedy's going

to be put on the ticket.
And Stevenson comes before the convention to announce

what's going to happen. What's his
choice? Who's his choice for for Vice

President? And Stevenson says, I
am a firm Believer in democracy and nothing

could be more democratic than that.
You, the delegates, pick the next

vice presidential nominee. He turns around
walks off the podium. WHOA. Well,

the place is going crazy. Yeah, this doesn't happen very often.

So now they're going to ballot and
S to Keifoffer is nominated, John Kennedy's

nominated, a bunch of governors are
nominated. Yeah, these are the old

days when you did have the primaries
wiping everything in right which a random people.

So my neighbor Carl it was dominated. I thought he might do a

pretty good job. I mean when
we barbecue we talk about politics all the

time. Yeah, so that the
trick on the first ballot is to get

everybody's name out there and get people
some some, you know, publicity.

One of the people, ironically,
that's nominated as the favorite son from Tennessee

is not st s keifoffer, but
the other senator from Tennessee named Albert Gore

senior. Oh, so this is
going to be really juicy. So Sam

Rayburn, who was the speaker of
the House of Representatives, is running the

convention, as is the tradition,
and he gets a phone call at the

podium from Joe Kennedy. MM and
Kennedy says Recognize Gore. He's going to

throw his votes to my son Johnny
Kennedy and that will put him over the

top. Okay, they had gone
through the first ballot. John Kennedy was

like a hundred votes away, and
so all they needed was a few ships

and he would get it. And
it was between him and EST keifoffer.

So Sam Rayburn, following Joe Kennedy's
orders, calls up, you know,

Gore going recognize, I'll go,
or the Tennessee delegation and I'll go.

Or gets his, you know,
to give this little speech about our greatest

date. Tennessee is and we are
now throwing all of our votes to my

colleague in the Senate, and they're
both his colleague in the Senate, Estes

keeboffer. God, Joe Kenny's like, I'm gonna fuck murder all of you.

So that's how what happens. John
Kennedy, in the hotel room where

they're watching this on television, says
I'M gonna fucking kill all him and Joe

Kennedy says, and no matter what
anyone else tells you, this is where

it was first said. He said, don't get mad, get even you

swear to God. You think this
is the word to God. That's where

it came from and you know,
because I read history. Okay, I

listen. I have to accept you
to work with. I don't know shit

about history. There are a couple
of other stories about don't get mad getty,

it can get even that are but
they're all in the political realm.

But that's where I understand it happened
first. Okay, so Stevenson and Keith

offer go down to ignominious defeat to
Eisenhower and Nixon. So I think Kennedy

really dodged a bullet. If he'd
been on that ticket and loss, I

don't think the rest of his career
would have happened. Right. So now

we flash forward in one thousand nine
hundred and sixty and we've got, you

know, battles for the nomination on
both sides. Nixon is facing a challenge

from Nelson Rockefeller and he meets with
Rockefeller and they come to an agreement on

what the Republican platform will be like. Rockefeller withdraws and endorses Richard Nixon for

the presidency. So that looks like
the way the Republicans are going to go

with. The Democrats are all up
in arms. There been these primaries and

John Kennedy has won the primary in
Massachusetts, which of course we knew he

would. He then wins in Wisconsin, but the press discounts it because Wisconsin

is almost half Irish and Catholic and
you know, and he's going to be

our first Catholic president and maybe if
he gets elected. So they don't think

that's any good and they say what
if you know, can you win into

Protestants? Date? Well, the
next primaries West Virginia, and that's pretty

private Protestant. Yeah, and he's
running against Hubert Humphrey, who was a

senator at the time, and Stuart
Symington, who's a senator from Missouri,

Lyndon Johnson, who's the majority leader
from from Texas. There's just a ton

of good candidates out there and it's
going to be decided, maybe not at

in the primaries but, you know, in the election. In the meantime,

Kennedy makes a heroic decision. He
decides to go before the Houston Baptist

Ministers Conference to talk about why our
Catholic can become president. Okay, he

gives a really good speech. That's
something worth seeing, okay, but but

what's really good about it is he
stays and takes questions God and it's John

Kennedy's best moment. Okay, it's
really still while that back then, in

one thousand, nine hundred and sixty, people like fucking Catholics. They can't

being president. Ridiculous. Well,
what you know? It is of all,

your religion is arbitrary to me.
Yeah, for someone's political qualifications.

It's fucking stupid, but funny that
like Catholic still a type of Christians is

different, like the fact that we've
anyway. Stupid, stupid. Well,

I mean, you know, the
thing was, you're going to be more

loyal to the pope than you are
to the which, by Constitution, twenty

one standards. We all know that. Most Catholics who are like super conservative

or like that, fuck the pope. Yeah, I'm like, what's the

point of having a fucking pope if
you just ignore what he says? Yeah,

and he's like I atually let's reconsider
gay marriage, like none. Now,

shut up, sit down. What
do you think? Who Are you?

That's right, like I don't understand
the purpose of a pope anymore,

because everyone who just disagree to them
as like that. No, no,

I don't like this one. Well, he's the chief administrator for the Church

and when he speaks ex Cathedra,
that is, when he speaks Catholic doctrine.

He's infallible, right, but not
on anything else. I mean he

can miss add a number of figures. That's not what a babble and fallibility

mean. I see, I thought
the whole point of him was like a

Jesus kind of thing. Well,
there's you hope that he's the Good Shepherd

for the church and that he would
get rid of some of the corruption,

which he's trying to do right,
but they're all like woo yeah, well,

he kicked out a bunch of some
of these people are on trial for

fraud and the you know it clip
some apple scursery abuse, had some yeah,

well, you got all that going
around to anyway. And then you

know bearying indigenous children in Canada,
which is resulted in the attack on Twenty

Five County Catholic institutions in Canada as
we speak, by modern history. Modern

history. And see the Judy dnch
movie. It was good. So the

Democratic Confession Convention is then after Kennedy
gives his performance in Houston. That kind

of gets him off the hook.
He wins the Wisconsin primary because Joe Kennedy

buys the state. Okay, but
it's a Protestant state and he was now

one in a Protestant state. So
that's a big hurdle. And then he

goes on you wins the Oregon primary. So he is the presumptive favorite coming

into the Democratic convention and there's all
this lobbying and stuff going on and who's

going to pull out and who's gonna, you know, how's this? You

know, all going to come down
and Joe Kennedy's they're handing out money left

and right. And Robert Kennedy is
the manager for the campaign and he's on

the floor of the convention hooking people
and they're promising the vice presidency two different

people right. Also, according to
George Jacobs, Santra fucking hated Bobby Kennedy,

hated him. Oh yeah, because
Kennedy, because Bobby Kennedy hated send

was like kept trying to fuck over
Sinatra. Yeah, and one well involved

in like stuff because he was like
doing like he had like Sammy Davis Junior,

Dean Martin has UF do campaign shit, yes, for JF, a

campaign for JFK, as will see. And then when Robert Kennedy became attorney

general, he went after the Mafia. MMM, and that's right. How

you know I'm at that. You
know why? Frank Citandra? Hey,

Robert Kennedy? Yeah, because he
loved Frank Giancana and the Mafia. Petty

Way. So they're at the convention
and Harry Truman POPs up and says John

Kennedys too inexperience to be president.
I think we should give ad lay Stevenson

a chance. He had to run
against Eisenhow er twice. Nobody could beat

the general. Now is his time. M and Eugene McCarthy, this senator

from Minnesota, will later run for
president, as we shall see, comes

forward and gives us great speech on
behalf of Stevenson and the place goes nuts

and it looks like there's going to
be this slide off draft Stevenson movement that

they have to stop, and they
finally do stop it. Okay, and

Kennedy gets the nomination. So they're
sitting there now who we're going to put

on the ticket as vice president?
and Lyndon Johnson's name comes up, because

it would be a north south,
you know, young, old, you

know, the perfect balance ticket,
and they discuss it and Bobby Kennedy did.

Unlike Lyndon Johnson, he thinks it's
bad idea. He wants, you

know, somebody else. So John
Kennedy says to Robert, okay, let's

just do him the courtesy and tell
him we're not going to pick him.

Okay, so would you drive over
to his hotel and just tell him in

person? So Robert Kennedy is driving
over to Lyndon Johnson's hotel and they change

their minds. The other advisors take
over and they decide it would be the

right thing to do to put Lyndon
Johnson on the ticket. So John Kennedy

calls let the Johnson and says I
want you to be on the ticket.

Is that okay? And Lyndon John's
is that would be great. I'd be

honored, and they were. Some
people were hoping Johnson would say no right,

because you know, as John Naans
Gorner said, the vice presidency isn't

worth a warm picture a Piss.
So Johnson accepts, puts down the phone.

Robert Kennedy arrives, comes into the
room and says, you know,

I'm really sorry, but you're not
going to be on the ticket with my

brother. He set me personally to
tell you this. I didn't have phones

in the car at the time.
Evident. L and Lyndon Johnson just laughs

at even says you can get you
sorry ass out of here. I'm on

the ticket. WHOA, and you
know Bobby Kenny mustage just been done.

So, oh my God, died. I would have been like that's that.

No one's going to see my face
ever again. Ever. So that

laid the groundwork for Lyndon Johnson and
Robert Kennedy having their feud right, and

then the Kennedy Gore feud which lasted
into the next Gore. Was that story

in the Convention where Al Gore didn't
throw his votes to John Kennedy. Bright.

So now we go into the election
and they Nixon agrees to debate Jack

Kennedy, even though Nixon's they had
in the polls, because he says I

can end this now. And he
and he, and he gave two reasons

to his advisers. One, I
beat the shit out of him in Pittsburgh

when I debated him in nineteen forty
eight. Like, who's going to remember

that? That's wherever I go.
Yeah, and I just saw Kennedy's acceptance

speech in the La Colosseum and it
sucked. Okay, and it did okay,

the acceptance speech of Kennedy in one
thousand nine hundred and sixty at the

La Coliseum focked. It was not
a good speech. He just cames like

outdoor, spacious. Appreciate it.
Yeah, outdoor speeches are very hard to

give, a very, very hard
to do. But so they agreed to

for fucking debates. Wow, and
the first debate, and this is on

black and white television. Yeah,
the first of the first like popular televised

debates. Right, yeah, they're
never been there. Never been presidential debates,

the beginning of making politics like entertainment. Yes, yeah, yes,

and Marcia mccleuen is all over this
thing. So Nixon got flevitis before.

Sounds like a made up thing for
the first depict do it. I got

to. Yeah, I got the
band in. It was serious and he

was in the hospital. He lost
weight, so none of his shirts fit.

Okay. He then he had made
a promise at the convention that he

would go to all fifty states.
No one had ever done that in a

campaign. So he's campaigning like crazy
and flying all over the place and he

comes into the first debate. So
He's haggard, he looks terrible and Don

Hewitt, who is the producer and
director for the debate the first debate,

says, you know, you need
to put some makeup on. You're going

to look terrible and black and white
television, look like a ghost. Yeah,

and Nixon says, well as Kennedy
gonna wear makeup and they said,

well, no, he's been down
in Palm Springs getting a Nice Tan for

television and he looks great. He
doesn't means make up up. Yes,

as well, if I put on
makeup, they're going to say Nixon war

makeup and Kennedy didn't and that's going
to look bad. So no make up.

They say well, okay, you
know if that's what you want.

The next thing they arrived for the
debate and it's Nixon is getting out of

the car. He hits his flabbatic
knee on the door in faint. Now

what is flap for? It's a
infection and of the knee, flabydus Bidis.

Yeah, okay, but I'm sure
some of our listeners will look up

plebidis and tell us exactly what it
is. Just some fake last out of

got okay, a class. I
got the flabitis. Nixon would get it

again and that's why Ford pardoned it. So Dixon late is what lights all

it was worth. He did some
stupid shit, but the poor guy got

flabitis a second time. We should
pardon them, we should part there.

We go. Okay. So he
comes into the debate and he's just fainted

and he's all drained and everything,
and they set him up and he said,

you know, they said we can
cancel it, abait, this is

ridiculous. And he says no,
if they canceled the debate, you know

Nixon will be portrayed as a coward. I'm fine, I can, I

can, I can soldier on.
You know, I'll do it. Well,

the other thing that happens then they
they put them on camera and Nixon's

five o'clock shadow shows up, mm, because the cathode tube in a black

and white camera penetrates the first layer
of your skin, but so if you

have a five o'clock shadow, it
shows it up. Huh? So they're

looking at this. So Don Hewitt
rushes over to Nixon again and says look,

we got to put your fucking look
white stick on. You look like

you know the angel of dead.
Now, now Kennedy's not using makeup.

I'm not going to use makeup.
And so this he goes on the air,

and you should I mean you can
see the kinescope. You can get

it on Youtube, okay, and
you should see the difference in the look

of the two guys. And I
mean you've got this Hollywood right, JFK,

and you got this guy looking like
he's up bad fire can and he

hasn't had a good vince a while. Yeah, and and and and then

under the TV lights Nixon starts sweating
perfect and so he's just dripping sweat.

This is a real rudy Giuliani moment, without black hair doll. Yeah,

coming down there all. So people
who saw the first debate thought Nixon lost.

People who heard it on radio thought
Nixon one. MMM IT, because

they couldn't see it. Yeah,
they could just imagine it, and Nixon

has a very good radio voice.
And so that was viewed by a hundred

and twenty million people. Wow.
There are now three more debates. They're

only viewed by sixty million people.
Okay. When the final votes are tallied

for the election, Kennedy wins by
a hundred and twelve thousand votes. So

the first debate made all the difference
in the world. Wow, and that's

why there were there would not be
another presidential debate until my guy, Joel

Ford. Okay, that's right,
for whom I was the speech you wrote

speeches for. We had debates with
Carter and we'll get into those, leader.

But a hundred and twenty thousand votes
is not so. He hundred twelve

thousand. Hundred and twelve thousand right
as not very many. No, that's

pretty tight and that's the whole nation
right. But still wins the electoral college.

Tip. He wins the electoral college
because of voter fraud in Chicago and

Dallas. Who? And that's why
the Republicans took over the sheriff's position in

Chicago after that election. They said
that's where they did it, and Richard

Ogilby became the Sheriff of Chicago and
eventually the governor of Illinois. Okay,

straightened that situation now. Okay,
there was there. There was voter fraud

on both sides. HMM, but
the Democrats were more clever in picking where

it needed to be. So Illinois, which had been a republican state,

they flipped, got it vote for
Kennedy and Texas, which had been a

republican state, they flipped to vote
for the Kennedy Johnson ticket. Right now,

a lot of the stuff like is
proven in terms of history. Right,

we talked about the fraud that got
who else elected? But the the

the the other guy. We talked
about him already. Oh, you mean

ruther free Behayes, the mob boss
Guy who like got Ann Ohio or something,

who helped cal nonder gas, the
under got Truman elected in Kansas.

The city got him elected judge,
and then and then the pendergas machine were

worked for for for Truman. Right. So, I mean voter fraud like

is a thing, but how do
you distinguish between that vote product and what

the claims are today, which everyone's
like by trump won, and that's ridiculous.

I mean it. He would have
had to. We're voter fraud works.

It's where you have a close race
and you can flip a few things,

right. You know, I will
probably talk about this later, but

I witness vote fraud and Alabama I
was second command of a Senate race,

okay, and at nine o'clock in
the morning we were getting calls that in

all of the rural areas there was
no lever next to the name of our

candidate. They had just pulled the
Democrats pull lovers off. Huh? So

when you went to the polls you
couldn't vote for our candidates, so you

either didn't vote or you voted for
the other candidate. Well, and we

we carried the cities by fifty five
percent and we lost the rural areas by

seventy five to eighty percent. Will
County. Before that we could correct right

what was going on. So I
mean there's there's you know, and I

saw it on the Republican side in
Indiana where they broke into in Indianapolis they

broke down, they claimed that thirteen
voting machines had broken and then they entered

votes into them for the Republican candidates. This guy in North Carolina recently fixed

the election for a republican congressman by
harvesting votes, okay, absentee ballots,

from people and then filling them got. So it's been around. It's much

less now. Yeah, there was
whole squads of FBI agents, right,

you know that look at this.
That weren't looking at it in one thousand

nine hundred and sixty right, okay, so we've got we've got JFK elected,

but obviously a very notorious presidency has
camelot continues, May and Monroe somewhere

in there. You have to talk
about that. Yea. So on our

next episode we're going to continue the
the story of camelot. Okay, this

is now we're officially into part of
territory, because as we sat down to

record this, we got like thirty
plus minutes and and I was like,

we got to this is not all
of the presidency. We got to do

that next because there's still a lot
to cover in terms of his actual presidency

and his assassination and Lyndon Johnson picking
up, you know, after that.

So yeah, and that's another thing
that was not in the podcast that really

kind of spooky. On January six
one thousand nine hundred and sixty three,

Kennedy came back to San Diego and
gave the commencement address at San Diego State.

Okay, at okay, as president. He you know, he would

be dead a few months after that. But in the parade down alcohola Avenue

L Callin Boulevard, and you know
that. Well, yeah, the parade

went down alcohol and Boulevard Towards San
Diego state where he was going to give

the the speech, and a little
kid with a pop gun jumped out of

the crowd and started shooting at John
Kennedy and luckily the kid was swept off

his feet by the people next to
him as the the secret service people all

came to attention and whipped out their
weapons right you know, made the evening

news. So there was kind of
like a foreshadowing of the horror that was

to follow in Dallas in November.
Of One thousand nine hundred and sixty three.

Wow, that's like there's a scene
in the movie Hollywood land. Did

you ever see that with Ben Affleck, who played George Reeves? They were

Superman on television, where the kid
has his like Dad's real gun and he's

like can I shoot you, Superman? So the bullet bounces off and he's

like son, wow, why would
you want to do that? And it's

a it's a good ten scene where
you're like, oh, that kid could

kill that guy anyway. I don't
know why that makes me think of Hollywood

land with but that's how my brain
works. We do I we got it.

We got a new review I want
to read, which is nice because

it's validating for what we did in
our two parter. Shoe Gal Five,

five hundred and twenty five gives us
five stars. She the title of this

is Shelley. She said. I
loved hearing about one of my favorite authors.

Thank you, guys. In the
perfect match to tell this story.

Looking forward to part two. So, Shoegal, hope you enjoyed part two

with the Percy Craig. It's a
competition. Now I'm looking at the numbers.

Who Gots? who gets the more
the most downloads? I have been

of the mind that Mary Shelley is
far and above more famous than Percy Shelley,

just culturally because of Frankenstein. I
don't think anybody gave a shit about

Percy Shelley, you know what I
mean? I was like, yeah,

that's just the way that people.
You know, if you know Frank's fine,

chances are you know Mary Shelley.
And if you're like do you know

her husband's name, I feel like
a lot of people are like no,

you Percy Shelley's episode. Now it's
just edged above Mary Shelley's episode. More

people have expressed a little interest in
Percy than in Mary, and that fills

me with rage, hatred and vengeance. And we came out with Berthie a

week later. So we got we
got more. You can jump up,

tracked real fast up to the way. So if you're listening this and you

haven't listened to the Mary Shelley e
episode, do me a favor. Go

listen to that. Bump up those
numbers. We're having a fight, Craig

and I. And if you think
you know the whole story about Percy and

you skip Mary, you got to
hear about what a jerk, what a

Jerquad, Percy can be. Well, I have I have something to tell

you and and a warning for our
audience regarding the romantic period. Okay,

since we're talking about the shelley's and
that's a chapter in my book that we

talked about Romanticism, rhetoric and the
search for the sublime. Here's the problem.

The best that sells, I'm so
fun it's sold out at Amazon.

Okay, they raise the price inordinately, so don't go to Amazon to get

it. I mean it's like fifty
dollars more than what my publisher will sell

it to you for online. Oh
well, so, if you, if

you want it online at the cheapest
price, go to Cambridge Scholars Publishing and

get it there. Okay, I'm
I apologize on behalf of Amazon thing.

It's horrible when they do things like
that. Yeah, well, it's kind

of like a mean, it's not
a textbook, textbook, but it could

be used as a textbook, right. It could be in in a in

a course on romantic rhetoric or the
romantic era. Certain. Yeah, my

favorite thing. Well, one of
my favorite things about you is that you've

written so many books that you're always
able to plug a book or something that

you've done every episode. Congratulations,
thank you. Thank you for that.

I can't wait to be that accomplished
when I'm seventy seven years young. Well,

thank you everybody for listening. Hopefully, you know, these episodes mean

Craig will be back in person come
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people's feet to the fire on the reviews,

we really bumped up the numbers and
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guess what, out of many downloads
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are so disappointed in you. We
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that would actually be on kind and I

don't really want to be a Dick, but I'm just gonna let you know

that you're letting you didning craigdown.
Specifically, I'm looking at his face right

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the Craig is just beside himself with
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