EPISODE 33: The Suffragists! (Not Suffragettes?)

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Craig takes us on a journey of the important history leading up to and through the passing of the 19th Amendment which gave women the right to vote, and its key figures among the Suffragists along the way. But it wasn't all progressivism and sunshine and rainbows, just because "women" were allowed the right to vote most all women of color were prevented from doing so for another several decades.


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learned something new every day, something it's

called a miracle. We are talking
about the suffragist movement today and feminism and

feminism, but I race to get
things together while I'm cooking a duck which

we will be eating for supper this
evening, I have found what it's called,

the suffragette cocktail. Okay, have
you heard of this? Okay,

but they have to change the name
to know. This is written this.

This is written the San Francisco call
on July four nine o nine. Okay,

so they called it that back then. I'm not. That's when they

were ten years before they got the
vote. Right. So they were saying,

in celebration of the hundred years of
the Nineteenth Amendment, Um, you

can drink the suffraget cocktail, which
we're gonna get into some of the nitty

gritty of what the nineteenth amendment actually
means for women overall. U. But

this, this was from the San
Francisco Call nineteen o nine. So this

movement inspired this cocktail. The suffragette
cocktail makes man dishwasher. That's how they

titled that argument. One man.
Well, I'm sorry, one makes a

man willing to listen to the suffragetts
position, the piece explains, to convince

him that it has some merit.
Three, make him a missionary, willing

to spread the Gospel abroad. And
four, make him go home and wash

the dishes. This is written,
by the way, by Nick hines on

fun. They're saying, like, you

get a man drunk enough, you
could probably get him do anything. So

back in my experience put sorry,
what do you say? You're trying to

get a man to do, Craig, be careful, tread lightly. But

you know, historically men are kind
of pieces of ship in pretty sexist.

And this is the fun, playing
on the nineteen o nine, playing on

the front of like, listen,
you get a guy funked up enough,

he might just women. Aside from
the fact that women didn't have the vote

at that time, it was a
really nice time to live. Nineteen O

nine. This is the making America
again. You thinking right in there in

the grove. You think this was
the oh not, you think this was

the again to make American grade again. This was the time mine. You

would like to live in a time
that you know I live. I would

I would like to go back when
Theodore Roosevelt was president. So you would

like to go back to a time
when women did not have the right to

vote? No, I said that
was the exception. That was the State

Civil Rights Act in the voting rights
acts. Well, there's some other things.

It wasn't perfect, right. Okay, so history is flawed. That's

what we're saying. Yeah, I
understood, but we're all about. Well,

they give us a recipe for the
original off for Jack Cocktail via the

San Francisco Call Silo Jin, C
I L O, Silo, Silo Jin,

French for Muth and Italian for Muth, and equal parts to make a

gill. Mix in a cocktail glass, add a dash of orange bitters,

twist and two strips of Lemon Peel
and serve. Okay, I didn't have

these things on hand. Thank God. I wasn't prepared to spend another hundred

dollars kind of thing. But if
you like the Manhattan you'd like that.

M What's Silo Jin? It's made
in a silo. I don't know.

What C I L O? I
don't know. And not to be confused

as Selo Greene Green, if it's
Italian, it's Chilo. Chilo Chilo Jin.

I mean it says Chilo Jin French
from with an Italian for Muth.

Maybe it's like a slow Jim.
Oh right, okay, maybe. All

right, this is boring. Is
that? As that review had said?

Uh, this is babbling off topic, babbling bad alcohol. I think it's

mildly on topic, but we have
more important things to get to when I

want to keep this up tight.
So we will be back right after this

with the man who invented the robot
from laws in space. First of all,

let's review that. We have talked
about a lot of strong women in

history. Okay, so we had
Cleopatra, who ran the show with two

different emperors. We had Katherine de
Medici. We've talked about I've made an

allusion to aspasia, who was a
speechwriter for pericles of Athens Um. She

made an allusion to her, but
we did not have an episode about her.

People came from Melitis and became a
powerful advisor to the ruler of Athens

when they were a democracy. Can
you do a full episode on her?

No, that's all I know about
her. Got It, except that she

taught rhetoric Um. But we talked
about a lot of powerful women on this

show. I'm an allusion to a
lady once and she was great. There

you go. But of course the
mainstream was that women were suppressed, and

we see this in the character of
Katerina in the taming of the shrew,

and I really get annoyed at Shakespeare
at this. I don't know if you

saw the taming of the Shrew,
the movie version with Elizabeth Taylor and Richard

Burton. I've seen ten things I
hate about you, which I believe is

a modern update on it is the
superior version. So it is. I

have the Burton Taylor version is excellent. They're only better movie is WHO's afraid

of Virginia world, which, of
course is very serious, because they have

a lot of fun. Enter Taming
of the shrew. Unfortunately, Shakespeare puts

these words into Katrina's mouth, Katarina's
mouth, at the end of the play.

I am ashamed that women are so
simple to offer war where they should

kneel for peace, or seek for
rules supremacy away when they are bound to

serve, love and obey. Why? Our bodies soft, weak and smooth,

unapt to toil and trouble in the
world? But that's our soft conditions

and our hearts should we well agree
with our ex journal parts. So women

are portrayed as having to serve men
and you know, women's places in the

kitchen and the home, in the
bed, all of that stuff, and

it's unfortunate and that's, you know, what suffrage and and uh, and

I think Um, uh feminism is
about, is about that, that that

kind of liberation. So Um,
in America, one of one of the

first women to to really stand out
was Anne Hutchinson. She was a member

of the Puritan Church and she thought
that women should be allowed to become preachers,

and so she tried to preach and
they kicked her out, uh,

in Massachusetts, and so she went
to Connecticut and formed her own Church and

she was later defended by Roger Williams, who found founded Rhode Island, and

Rhode Island was full of religious toleration. That's what he was about, and

so everybody was kind of bouncing off
those darn puritans. Growing up, I

was part of my denomination of Christianity. Oh look, I found the NUB

from the wish fell on the floor, stuck into my sandal. It was

stuck in my Sandal on the over
there you couldn't have seen it was my

sandal. It popped. These dogs
won't shut up anyway. My My denomination

growing up was Church of Christ,
and even into high school and college I

learned that the rule was that women
were not allowed to lead in prayer or

be preachers in the Church of Christ's
denomination. I was like, I am

fucking twenty years old and this is
still your rule. Why do you think

I love the church works. People
have problems with us. This is this

absolutely right. Yeah, Um,
the American view of women's rights can be

traced to blackstone's commentary on the law. A husband and wife are one and

the husband runs a relationship. Uh. A woman, if she divorced her

husband, which became more common after
Henry the eights exploit Um, didn't have

a right to the children. I
mean, you know, the man could

keep the children if he wanted to. Uh. And we saw that with

Lord Byron. He he had a
child by Mary Shelley's sister and he kept

that child, even though the sister
wanted her daughter. He didn't keep the

child and she died. Yeah,
so that's that's how fathers are great about

keeping the children. Back in the
day, Um, I do want to

point out that first ladies have a
pretty good record. Some First Ladies have

a pretty good record when it comes
to advancing. Dolly Madison Um as the

first lady. She was a quaker
and they were abolitionists and she had a

hard time because James Madison, her
husband, had slaves and and and that

was different difficult for Dolly Madison Um. We all know about Eleanor Roosevelt and

her writing of the human rights resolution
for the United Nations. We all know

about this. Well, I have
no idea with that. Eleanor Roosevelt Um,

when the United Nations was finally formed
after her husband had died, she

was a delegate to the United Nations
on behalf of the United States and she

persuaded people to pass this resolution on
human rights, that the women have the

right to vote. Yeah, we
mean around the world. I'm sorry,

I met around the World United Nations. Uh. Um. So you know,

first ladies can take various things on, be more active or less active.

Um, you're not. You know, I never quite sure what's going

to happen. Um, but other
people, other women were Um, very

involved. Not only was suffrage but
with abolition and to stand out their sisters

Angela, Lena and Sarah Grimkey.
Um. They lived through the civil war,

but before the civil war they were
in favor of a women's right to

vote and the abolition of slavery.
They were quakers. They were born on

a plantation in South Carolina and so
they moved north in eighteen thirty two.

They joined the Anti Slavery Society in
Eighteen thirty six, which was headed by

Um Lloyd Garrison, who published the
Liberator newspaper. Um It was to them,

it was to John Quincy Adams after
his presidency. He went back into

the House of Representatives. At the
end of the First Amendment, it says

you have the right to petition the
government. The grimkey sisters petitioned the government.

John Quincy Adams got up on the
floor of the house, read their

petitions and was censored for doing that. Whoa what? Yeah, how does

that work? How do you say
that you have a right to do this?

Okay, okay, we're gonna do
it, and then someone's like shut

that. It was clearly unconstitutional to
censor them for that. What. Not

only that, but it was a
uh, it interfered with his freedom of

expression. Well, and they're the
thing that they said that they violated.

It violated the First Amendment twice.
But the house operates by its own rules.

The Senate, as we know,
operates by its own stupid rules and

its filibuster ship. Anyway, Um
Theodore Weld was a leading preacher and abolitionist

in Boston and he taught Angelina and
Sarah how to speak. He taught them

oratory public speaking, but he didn't
even know how to speak. Public speaking

speaking, that's right, and they
became very good at it. And then

he married Angelina. So we have
a professor marrying a student. And but

the two sisters got so good that
they drew huge crowds in Massachusetts. And

then Sarah Grim key wrote, quote, an Epistle to the clergy of the

southern states in eighteen thirty six,
and it argued women are responsible for slavery

as men and should work to end
it in the south. And she knew

of which you speak, because she
came out of South Carolina. UH,

here's one passage. I rejoiced because
I am persuaded that the rights of women,

like the rights of slaves, need
to be examined and to be understood

and asserted, even by some of
those who are now endeavoring to smother the

irrepressible desire for the mental and spiritual
freedom which glows in the breast of many

who hardly dare to speak their sentiments. Jesus lays down grand principles by which

we should be governed, without reference
to sex. who her mother was so

moved by the pamphlet that she freed
all of her slaves. I wish I

could be moved by a pamphlet.
Yeah, you know, we don't live

in the time of the pamphlet.
Now it's like I read a buzzfeed article

and boy, let me tell you, change my mind on this thing.

I wish that we, you know, we don't think, think of of

Thomas Pains, the rights of man
as I know it. I mean people

were I know, I mean really
a critical piece of publishing too, was

was pamphlets to change public, public
perception. Yeah, I actually refer in

one of my books to Um charismatic
articles that people were actually it was like

a speaker moving. But I think
that that's the that's part of the issue

of the present rights. Like we're
just over inundated on like a technical pamphlet.

Could be some Russian owned website that
says that Donald Trump won the election

and it was rigged by the Democrats, and you're like, that's the truth.

So in eighteen thirty eight, two
years later, Angelina grimkey made three

appearances before the Massachusetts Legislative Committee on
Anti Slavery Petitions. And this gets good

because of of the Grim Key's UH
William Lloyd Garrison, who published the liberator,

as I said, newspaper, became
an advocate for women's suffrage. So

she converted a major abolitionist, the
leading about sishnist. William Lloyd Garrison took

this position to the American Anti Slavery
Society and said we'RE gonna put suffrage in

with abolition. That's going to be
part of our cause, and they overwhelmingly

voted him down. And Weld and
garrison went back to the sisters and said

you've got to stop talking about women's
suffrage. It's getting in the way of

abolition. One thing at a time, and they they mourned that, but

they agreed that the focus was abolition
more than women's suffrage. That's correct.

That's correct. We'll see how this
continues to be a problem. Well,

correct, I think. When then, you get women suffrage before you have

anyway. Yeah, yeah, the
next important, I think, piece of

rhetoric that was again charismatic in the
fight for abolition came out in eighteen fifty

two by a woman, Harriet Beecher
Stowe, the daughter of a minace Lyman

Beecher, huge successful minister, and
it was called Uncle Tom's cabin which I

feel like what we there's a lot
of discussions and arguments to be made about

how that fits into today's for all
the for all that it did is there's

also a lot of negatives that it
has done. You know what I mean?

Like that, that's a book that's
a very controversial yeah, because uncle

Tom was the sweet slave that was
subservient, and so if you're an uncle

Tom Paints a picture of of how
on the other hand, it painted a

very vivid picture of how badly slaves
were treated. In that narrative helped move

a lot of people into the abolitionist
movement. I think that that's part of

the difficulty, though. Is like
to be an abolitionist is like, well,

I don't think people should be slaves, but it's whether or not we're

making the argument that they should be
treated the same as are they the same

as white people? Right, and
that book puts black people in a in

a in a box, right of
saying like until this sweet sort of like

lesser than like. Why would anybody
upset with somebody like an uncle Tom?

And it's like no, that you're
still not giving them the space to be

full humans. You're treating them like
but I I think Harry Beetri Stau would

say one step at a time.
I think history would say one step at

a time. So it's hard because
I'm saying I'm not disagreeing with that notion,

but I want to acknowledge the fact
that that book is highly problematic and

there's a lot of work that we
need to do retroactively. That's what history

of ours for. Retroactively. Say, this is something to unpack because it's

really also damaged how white people see
black people period. Right, I agree.

At the same time the suffragists were
still agitating and they had their first

convention in Seneca Falls, New York, and they were led by Elizabeth Katie

Stanton and Lucretia Mott Um, and
they continued to meet up until the civil

war. So there are women who
are in the abolitionist movement who are saying

no, we're still going to we
want the vote. At the same time,

these are parallel concepts. We need
to free the slaves and we need

to get the vote. And they
continued to meet up until the civil war.

Um, but we're consistently suppressed.
Um, in eighteen sixty three they

formed the women's National Loyal League so
that they can become more organized. Now

we're up to the civil war.
What's interesting is what happened in France.

In France, during the revolution,
women were given the vote, one of

the first times that ever happened in
history, and then Napoleon became dictator,

wrote him out of the Napoleon Code, took took it back just that brief

moment. And then when do you
think women got the vote in France?

The next time? Also, nine
hundreds, nine after us. Yes,

the French so high. And look
at what women did during the war in

terms of resistance. Oh my God, boy, uh, Mary Wilson Very,

very upset. Rachel's mother was there
in the late se okay, okay.

So, Um, we go through
the civil war, the Fifteenth Amendment

comes along, which gives black men
the vote. In eighteen sixty six does

it. But this is part of
my question, and I know that's like.

You're like, God damnit, you're
bringing this down, but to me

this is the point of history and
it are. Does it really give them

the right to vote or does it
give them the right to vote on paper?

And they're still disenfranchised by all the
systems in place to prevent black people

from voting? They were given the
right to vote and then in eighteen seventy

six, reconstruction was ended, the
five generals were pulled out of the South

and Jim Crow laws were put into
effect, which disenfranchised both poor whites and

blacks. And there was an amendment
to the Fifteenth Amendment that we proposed two

allow women the vote, all women
the vote and, I'm sorry, an

amendment to an amendment. Yes,
you can have that, and it failed.

And then the amendment, as the
Fifteenth Amendment, went out to the

states and was ratified. In fact, as a southern state coming back into

the union, you could not get
back into the union unless you ratified the

Fifteenth Amendment. So many southern states
were blackmailed into approving the fifteenth amendment.

And there are die hard people even
to this day who say the fifteenth amendments

ill legitimate because of the conditional the
way you could you couldn't come back in

the Union list you u ratified the
Fifteenth Amendment. And there were northern states

that did not ratify the Fifteenth Amendment, but they got it through by forcing

the southern states to ratify it to
get back into the union in eighteen sixty

six. Anyway, the removal of
suffrage for women from the Fifteenth Amendment incited

women to revive the suffrage issues and
they were led by the late Grade Susan

B Anthony, and she emerges as
a leader of the movement when she opposed

not only the fifteenth but the Fourteenth
Amendment because it didn't apply to women.

In eighteen sixty seven, Lucretia mott
called for a convention for the American Eagles

Society and one of the speakers was
sojourner truth, which I think is really

important. She addressed the convention.
She was a black woman, she was

six feet tall, she was eighty
years old when she got up to and

she was a former slave. And
guess where she had been enslaved? New

York. Ah. So here you
are, brought to face to face with

hypocrisy. Of when? When?
Yes, when she came forward and spoke

at the convention, it was very
moving. She said, I have to

answer for the deeds done by my
body, just as a man does.

I have a right to have just
as a man has. I have been

forty years a slave and forty years
free. I have done a great deal

of work, as much as a
man, but did not get so paid.

I want to keep things stirring now
that the ice is cracked. And

then she sang an old spiritual called
we are going home. It's lovely.

Susan Be Anthony announced in Nineteen UH
in eighteen sixty seven that she would run

for public office using a loophole in
New York law. It said women couldn't

vote but didn't say they couldn't run
for office, and there was a big

fight over that. Um She was
allowed to run and was defeated in eighteen

seventy four. South Carolina, our
favorite state. Right, listening listening to

us? You know who? Yeah, Senator Lindsay, good old so South

Carolina said, everybody's favorite little bitch. Basically, yeah, not careful,

capital South Carolina said, guys a
piece of ship. Okay, fine,

let's just not get sidetracked. You
don't want to go into the weeds.

You're going into the bullrushes with Lindsey
Graham. Ok, ok, well,

he probably liked that. Um So, uh. South Carolina said the Fourteenth

Amendment did not apply to women.
Then in eighteen seventy two Susan B Anthony

attempted to run for president against President
Grant, saying that the Fourteenth Amendment allowed

her to run for president. Wow, that she had equal protection under the

law. The Supreme Court didn't agree, unfortunately, and she didn't get to

run. She responded did in your
ordered verdict of guilt, you have trampled

underfoot every vital principle of our government. My natural rights, my civil rights,

my political rights, my judicial rights
are all alike ignored, robbed from

the fundamental privilege of citizenship. I
am degraded from the status of citizen.

Wow, good for her. Wait, so she she started to run for

president because she wanted to or how
she wanted to prove that women had rights

under the fourteenth amendment. She was
going to go around the fifteenth and get

back to the fourteenth and say,
Hey, it's like gaze went around,

things went back to the fourteenth amendment
and said we have equal rights, we

get we we should be allowed to
be married. But so there was nothing

in place preventing her from running,
but Congress could still deny her the fact

that the Supreme Court could. Okay, okay, and there's no such thing

as a woman running of a president. How Gross UH. In eight ninety

two, jumping forward a bit and
moving us down the road to another Martini,

Elizabeth Katie Stanton game a famous speech. It was called the solitude of

self. After the Senate rejected women's
suffrage again, Um Stanton had become president

of the newly United National American Women's
Suffrage Association. They needed to come up

with a better title. Um It
met in convention to coincide with the House

consideration of a bill and suffrage in
Stanton with seventy six and was stepping down

as president of the Association. She
said the point I wish plainly to bring

before you on the occasion, on
this occasion, is the individuality of the

human soul. I love this.
Our Protestant idea, the right of individual

conscience and judgment are Republican idea.
Individual citizenship, the isolation of every human

soul and the necessity of self dependence. Must give each individual the right to

choose his our her own surroundings.
Now, as we moved towards undred Susan

B Anthony passes away, Lucretia Mott
passes away and the movement kind of died

in the US for about a generation. But we were saved by the English.

Now Remember, the English abolished slavery
before we did. In fact the

Russians abolish slavery before we did,
two years before we did. They did

something. So they did something right. Catherine the Great Gun. Yeah,

Um, a woman named emmeline Pan
Curse. There's a movie about her and

I forget who it starts. Um, mind Pan Curse, Pan Curse movie,

just off the top of your head. Spitball, pant the Pan Curse,

pants curse, Chris pancrustitis. I
the Pan Curse on all men.

I don't know. Emmeline pankhurt got
everything going again in England three and by

launching public speaking campaigns again. Um, they were in England and America.

They were suffragists. Were barred from
lecture halls. They had to go out

on the street. That's why they
went out on the street. And then

they led marches with torches in England. First they came back to America.

America got all excited about what was
going on. Pankhurs got the UM parliament

to consider women's suffrage in UH nineteen
o four and got the ball rolling over

there. In nineteen o nine in
the US the suffragists began using parades as

a propaganda device. Um. The
police, rather than protecting them, closed

them down or actually did bad things
to them, hit them with batons and

things like that. Nonetheless, in
Nineteen fifteen in New York City, UH

suffragists parade attracted fifty thousand spectacle leaders. Um, the National Women's Party was

formed in nineteen sixty and demanded a
constitutional amendment to give women the right to

vote. They were immediately supported by
the Republican Party. They were immediately opposed

by the Democratic Party. I mean, nobody is surprised because the Oh,

that's my time. They gotta flip
the duck. Okay, you want to

take a break and get me a
martine you only after I say this.

I'm not a shocker. We have
we have talked about many times on the

podcast that Republicans within history of the
unit, the United States stand up people,

which is why it's a goddamn shame
that it is now. Democrats have

the history of being the racist southern
slave owners, so I'm not surprised that

Republicans were on their side, because
they were on their side even as far

as the sixties. Let's take a
pause and then let me flip a duck

and we'll make some more martinies.
Yeah, don't list those letters up.

So Um Women Lit Bonfires near the
White House Gates. And remember the new

president is Woodrow Wilson. The bonfires
by the way, house gate. It's

good for them. Not only that, they chained themselves to the White House

Gates. Wilson, the Democratic,
supposedly Progressive President, Um, had them

incarcerated and force fed. He had
them incarcerated in force fed. Yes,

they went on a hungry strike and
he forced he told the authorities to put

hoses down their mouths and force feed
them food or liquid food, liquefied food.

Woodrow Wilson did this, he ordered
it. Yes, what a guy,

what a guy that would row Wilson. Wow, and the reason the

Democrat wasn't he was a Democrat from
the south, from Virginia, history,

born in Bredon Virginia. Daddy was
a Minister Force Fedom, the Gospel.

If they don't want to take it, remember in our Wilson episode we condemned

him for that. That was our
his big sin. Well, I forget,

to forget. Yeah, yeah,
okay. So we're in the war

and many saw the suffrage movement as
subversive. So mobs attacked women and weren't

protected by the police. The women
weren't protected by police. They were not

protected by the police. People through
cigarettes and cigars at them because they were

seen as, what rough, subversives
of the war effort. Why are you

demonstrating for women's rights when we have
to win the war with Germany first?

And so, Um, I'm sorry, so inconvenient for you that we want

to fight for women's rights. I'm
so sorry that there's a fucking world war

going on. Meanwhile women across the
world are treated exactly this way. It's

but the Republicans took control of the
Congress, they passed the nineteenth amendment and

sent it to the states. In
nine women got the right to vote.

So women voted for the first time
in the ninety election, returning the Republicans

to power, electing William UH harding
from Ohio. President, part of this

is funny is that I watched you
do this. When then the Republicans there

was a there was a good headshake. It was a very strong and Republicans

return to power. And who do
they elect? They elect Um Um,

and then you like scratch your Oh
God, who is that Republican that they

and its just off Uh and,
and we already dealt dealt with his his

Peccadillos and his I remember light.
Yeah, he was just a good looking

guy from senator from Ohio. And
Anyway, that Republican that all the women

clearly wanted to be president, and
you so quickly remembered my name. Let's

just jump forwards so that we can
get to the end of this. In

World War Two, women advanced their
cause by taking up arms and working on

the Home Front. Rosie the riveter
became an icon. My mother was at

Rosie the Riveter, at roar aircraft
in San Diego, row aircraft. Yeah,

she welded planes during the war while
my father was fighting it in nineteen

sixty. Let's just talk about a
little advances, and this will kind of

preview what we're gonna do later on. When we talk about feminism down the

road. But in nineteen sixty thirty
five of women were in the workforce.

Today, of all women work,
they constitute forty six percent of the civilian

workforce. In nineteen sixty, only
nine percent of bachelor bachelor's degrees were awarded

to women. Today, fifty five
of bachelor's degrees. Women have better education

than men. In nineteen sixty,
women received only five point five percent of

medical doctor degrees and two point five
percent of law degrees. In the numbers

were thirty five percent for doctors and
for law degrees. This change came about

because of feminist activists, which we're
going to get to a future episode.

We are. Yeah, I have
some questions for you which I want to

bring up and we've talked about this
and it's important to sort of to wrap

this up. We we acknowledge that
nineteen nineteen is the hundred year anniversary of

women's Nineteen nineteen was women that the
right for women to vote. So it

did say on paper that all women
have the right to vote the same way

that black men had the right of
vote right. So how do you unpack

also this element to which, like
women's suffrages also is a crucial part of

American history, history, world history, truthfully, but it means primarily white

women got the right to vote because
black women were in Malcolm x says us,

and he's not wrong and it continues
to be true. It was like

the black woman is like the most
hated, poorly treated women in America,

you know, like that's a real
thing. That continues to be true.

So I just I wanted to have
like a little civil discourse about this at

the end of this to ask your
thoughts on like these people are. Obviously

it does not to take away from
their achievements, but what, how do

we create a better narrative going forward
when we talk about celebrating women, to

say, when we unpack and we
look at women suffrage, that you have

black people, black women, especially
outside of a couple of speakers, we're

not part of this. Well,
Um, we'll get into that a little

bit when we get to Audre Lord, sister outsider. Um, black women

revolted against the feminist movement because it
was a white movement, exactly felt it

was glorious Steinham and Betty for Dana
absluge. It wasn't black women. Uh,

just as a preview. Um.
It eventually embraced them. who had

surely Chisholm running for President? Black
Congresswomen? Um. But it is true

that, you know, we passed
the Fifteenth Amendment to give Black Men the

right to vote. They took over
state legislatures all over the south, uh,

and then reconstruction was shut down,
the Ku Klux Klan rose up,

uh, and these measures went into
effect that disenfranchised black voters and poor whites,

and so, you know, women
were suppressed to even after when they

got the vote. I mean you
still had poll taxes and, you know,

grandfather clauses and all this crap going
on in the south. We're gonna

come back after this shortly. This
has been there's more to talk about feminism.

I'm going to slip in an episode
about Mary Wilson Craft here, Craig,

and I going to reverse roles another
time. But this is sort of

a t B TBC to be continued, episode on women and Feminism. And

but we have more to read briefly
right after this, Craig. The controversy

is, UH, palpable, palpable, but we're having a good time and

Michelle wrote us back she was so
excited. We talked about the corps of

riber number two. She said was
listening. Last night I heard my name.

Almost fell out of my chair.
I want listeners and that we're celebrating

you here. Write, as in, please send us your cocktail recipes,

anything you'd like to hear history on. We are here to explore it.

She said you can leave use a
little in a French genitnic you like point

five lit like half of a thing
of little it muddle, grapefruit and lime.

She uses one wheel of each.
I usually use one wheel of each.

I'M gonna say don't. What is
that measurement? What's a wheel?

You cut your said, so you
have a round thing called a lemon.

Create a wheel, wheel, wheel. The funk is a wheel. Announce

or more gent tonic to taste.
So okay. So here we are chicken

people's lives up, encouraging them to
drink new drinks. Um, I have

a duck in the oven that we
are going to eat and cook. Craig

and I have a lot to discuss, a lot better than having a loaf

in the oven. I've I've the
loave of meat. You mean, president,

even the right well, I have
a duck in the oven. I

am on instagram and twitter at will
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This is where we're in the nitty
gritty on this. Send US your cocktails.

Make me spend more money than I
spent on the corps survivor number two

on a cocktail that you want us
to drink and better. Yeah, you

send us the Gift Card to pay
for the booze. Right, that's how

is that wrong? Oh No,
no, no, no, we're both

rich. We've both we've both come
into a little money. I've already spent

on my money. It's already gone. I spent on the corps of ever

number two. Yeah, and when
I got fired. I just want to

thank the University of Chicago for their
honorarium. That I didn't expect. Oh,

that's right, you're taking us out
to dinner. Yeah, we'll have

to record a celebratory episode out to
dinner. Yeah, okay. Well,

I have been will sterling. This
has been the man who had been to

the robot and lust in space.
His name is Dr Craig Smith and we

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