Soul & Science: Fast Forward Your Marketing Mind
#91: Build Bold. Invest Early. Stay Human. | Ben Lerer, Founder of Thrillist & MP at Lerer Hippeau
July 7, 2025 · 34 min
Why listen
A media founder who built and sold at scale explains what he learned watching platforms eat publishers alive.
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In this episode
- Why chasing audience scale handed your business to the platforms
- What a pitch deck without AI signals to an early-stage investor today
- How cost-cutting quietly kills companies that bold bets could have saved
- The investing rule that puts founders above trends every time
About this episode
He built Thrillist. He bet on media. Now Ben Lerer is navigating a world obsessed with AI.In this episode, Jason sits down with Ben Lerer, co-founder of Thrillist, creator of Group Nine Media, and now Managing Partner at Lerer Hippeau. They talk about the shifting tides of media, tech, and early-stage investing. From building one of the first great digital brands to navigating the rise of creators, platforms, and AI, Ben shares hard-earned insights on what it takes to survive—and thrive—through disruption.
Key Takeaways:
✅ Media brands chased scale, but the platforms took the audience (and the money)
✅ In today’s startup world, no AI in the pitch means something’s off
✅ Cost-cutting kills companies; real growth comes from bold bets
✅ Great founders—not trends—should guide where you invest
Memorable Moments:
💡 “The winners weren’t the publishers—it was the pipes.”
💡 “We almost named it Ape Alert. That would’ve been a disaster.”
💡 “If I need a calendar reminder to make a decision, it’s a no.”
💡 “We believe founders are smarter than us. If we’re around great talent, we’ll end up in interesting markets.”
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About Soul & Science: Fast Forward Your Marketing Mind
Soul & Science is an award-winning podcast where marketing’s brightest minds reveal what it takes to build breakthrough brands. Hosted by Jason Harris, each episode explores the balance between brand building (Soul) and business performance (Science).
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